adhawkins Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 Whats the difference between www.wscc.co.uk and www.westfieldracing.co.uk £25.00 Along with 4917 registered members, and 411914 posts (at time of writing)... Andy Quote
Club Secretary (Reserve) Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 In response to the original point about adverts, or thinly disguised adverts being deleted; I do it occasionally. Where it is an obvious breach of the rules, and where it is obvious that the person posting the advert clearly either hasn't bothered to read the rules, or has chosen to ignore them, I don't feel duty bound to apologise any more than a copper would apologise for giving you a speeding ticket. The rules are in plain English and are not hidden. Just what is the excuse for placing an advert inappropriately, in breach of the rules? I'm yet to hear a believable one, and I've heard plenty. The point about interpretation of a technical question being in fact a wanted ad is an interesting spin, but we Administrators do actually know what we're doing, and we have a pretty good bead on these things most of the time. Granted we would never claim to be 100% all the time, but this is, I think, the first time in 6 years that we have had a complaint about advert removal that cites interprtation as a possible reason and introduces it as an argument against technical queries and the motives behind them. That said, first impressions are important, and if this has left you with a poor first impression then all any of us can do is apologise. We really are a much friendlier bunch that it may appear from your experiences so far. I would urge you to stick with us. QUOTE Whats the difference between www.wscc.co.uk and www.westfieldracing.co.uk £25.00 Really very irritating. Clearly you have zero understanding of what it takes to administer properly a club of this size. Until you do, I suggest you and Ian refrain from commenting further, lest you force me to educate you on the requirements and costs of Public Liability, magazine production, MSA registration, Data Protection Registration, merchandise sourcing, and the myriad of other behind the scenes activities that you are so clearly unaware of. In my opinion, you need to be up to speed on at least some of these things. You'll no doubt argue that your group is an internet only group and probably doesn't require such things. I'm sure the Yahoo group thinks the same thing. Trust me when I say that this is a serious misjudgement on your part. No if's, no buts. If you ever gather at even a loosely organised gathering without PL insurance, and a memebr of the public has an accident, you could lose your house. Yes it's a worst case scenario, and no, I'm really not joking. There is much more to running the WSCC than you might imagine, and 48p a week is staggeringly good value for the rights, priveliges and protection afforded to you as a member. Finally I and some of my fellow committee members feel that you have used our web site to publicise your web site quite enough. If you want to publicise your web site further, then please do it through the appropriate channels. There will be no more free advertising, and no further warnings. Thank you. Quote
Bazzer Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 I would like to be educated on on the public liablity legislation. Surely If I was sued personaly I would use my public liablity insurance that was part of my house insurance? Are there any examples where someone has lost a house due to this or is it just what a Solicitor has told you COULD happen ? I also want to make it clear that :- 1. I am not moaning about spending £25 I am sure it does cost that in administration. 2. I was asking if clubs were relevant in this day and age, not for more events I am interested to be organised. I managed to book an Oulton park track day all on my own this morning. 3. The WSCC boardroom is fab !!!! Cheers Bazzer Quote
Blatman Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 If I may... I had the insurance debate with DanB (a Barrister) on here with regards to the PL setcion of your house insurance. I'll try to find it... His opinion was that the household insurers would laugh at you if you claimed. The PL insurance on the house is to cover the postman slipping on your icy front path, and other such calamaties that may befall visitors to your premises. It absolutely *won't* cover you for the problem stated. Hence if you get sued, lose and can't pay, the bailiffs come in. If you don't have enough goods and chattels to sell off to pay the bill, then you will be expected to sell the house. Yes really... Quote
oioi Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 i looked into the Public Liability issue as part of organising a se7ens.net tour. Came to the above conclusion, yes i was liable, yes i could be sued as event organiser, yes i had no protection. Quote
Bazzer Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 If I may... I had the insurance debate with DanB (a Barrister) on here with regards to the PL setcion of your house insurance. I'll try to find it... His opinion was that the household insurers would laugh at you if you claimed. The PL insurance on the house is to cover the postman slipping on your icy front path, and other such calamaties that may befall visitors to your premises. It absolutely *won't* cover you for the problem stated. Hence if you get sued, lose and can't pay, the bailiffs come in. If you don't have enough goods and chattels to sell off to pay the bill, then you will be expected to sell the house. Yes really... I would take Dan's advice seriously as I know in general he does not tend to spout rubbish. But if I am not covered by my PL insurance anyway. Then I am at risk anytime I leave the house or let people in my house, so why worry My policy does exclude disputes relating to motor vehicles (thats what my car insurance is for), but other than that it would apear the wording would cover me. This is a great thread Much more interesting than Westfields Bazzer Quote
Bazzer Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 Out of interest (for another reason than car events). Does anyone know :- What constitutes an organised event ? What constitutes an organiser ? I would applogies for the thread drift but I think we have done every thing accept religion on this thread Bazzer Quote
Blatman Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 QUOTE But if I am not covered by my PL insurance anyway. Then I am at risk anytime I leave the house or let people in my house, so why worry You are covered, but there are restrictions as there is with any insurance. If the postman breaks his ankle or your best mate trips on a loose bit of stair carpet and breaks a leg, you're covered. An organised car event at which the public and their kids have free access to a potentially hazardous environment is definitely outside the T's & C's for your household PL insurance. Quote
Mrs Westy Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 In spite of all its arguments, I actually think this is quite a productive debate - tis only when you have everyone's viewpoint/attitudes/opinions/perceptions, whether you agree with them or not, that you have the whole picture. Then everyone is in a position to consider and empathise, understand everyone else's viewpoint and decide on the way forward. For some people that way forward might be not to join, for others it might be to join in more, for volunteers it might be to do something different, it might be to do something the same. But without everyone understanding the issues and perceptions that everyone else has, how will anyone ever know where they stand? Quote
Blatman Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 Insert "discussion" in place of "argument" and the whole thing will seem much more constructive Quote
Mrs Westy Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 I refer the honourable gentleman back to the comments I made whilst under the influence of alcohol last night about criticism being in the eye of the beholder Quote
Blatman Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 I think in this case, where interpretation of the written word is important in establishing the "mood" of the posts and thread, the presentation of an analysis of the overview should be VERY CAREFULLY worded [/David Brent stylee] Quote
Mrs Westy Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 Sorry dad I was just going on my dictionary definition of argument, i.e a discussion in which disagreement is expressed, however I fully concur with your point about care in wordings Quote
Blatman Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 I agree with people *constantly* misinterpreting the word argument. Happens *all* the time, especially on BB's. You know I love you really Quote
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