Bazzer Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 it went into a ballet to see if you got a place Hmmm, cue visions of lots of TVR drivers in tutus flouncing about the place LOL English was never my strong point Bazzer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timc78 Posted June 21, 2006 Author Share Posted June 21, 2006 I'm not sure that Westfield's are particularly suited to drifting are they? (as usual, happy to be proved wrong...) Andy I spent a day at Bedford Autodrome, and the Palmersport event there used a Caterham to teach basic figure-of-eight drift techniques. That thing could certainly drift I would assume a Westie could too, but I've never really tried, as my other car is far easier to break traction in. It was as much fun doing that as it was on the track in the X-Power Caterham, which just seemed to lack grunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conibear Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 I attended the trackday in question Andy, IIRC, it was Keevil. As an example you can go to any MSE event all day for as little as £80.00, how much does the Curborough SS event cost I suspect in the region of £60.00, is this subsidised If so that aint cheap when you compare cost out of someone's pocket is it Any event that requires voluntary work is a credit to whoever. But you have not found an event down South that a member such as me will benefit from. I don't have the time to organise an event, but I am only pointing out my opinion in why I think the membership for me is not worth the dosh. I have never recieved a pen or diary, must only be available to middle england Seriously though, the WSCC organise trackdays, correct me if I'm wrong, at, Cadwell, Mallory and Elvington. I've done Mallory loved it, but they only seem to do these once a year and Mallory always clashes with my hols Cadwell is on my list, but Elvington, no thanks. Down here in the South, you have some magnificient circuits, why does an AO need to organise them, I bet Mallory is organised by the WSCC correct me if I'm wrong please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Navin Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Any event that requires voluntary work is a credit to whoever. But you have not found an event down South that a member such as me will benefit from. I don't have the time to organise an event, but I am only pointing out my opinion in why I think the membership for me is not worth the dosh. This kind of thinking in general really pi55es me off. I have run quite a few events for the club as have many others. I have a full time job, my own cars to build and play with, other peoples cars to run, and lots of other things to take my time up yet I still FIND the time to put something back. As do all of the other members that play an active part in the club. To say in one breath that you have not got the time to organise anything and then moan that no one else has organised an event in the south speaks volumes to me. Why don't you FIND the time and get your in gear and organise something down south. Or do you need everything spoon feeding to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhawkins Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 I attended the trackday in question Andy, IIRC, it was Keevil. As an example you can go to any MSE event all day for as little as £80.00, how much does the Curborough SS event cost I suspect in the region of £60.00, is this subsidised If so that aint cheap when you compare cost out of someone's pocket is it You're not comparing apples with apples. If you want to compare the MSE day with something at Curborough, you need to compare it to the Saturday, not the Sunday. The Sunday is a competitive MSA approved event, and costs something like £60, yes. You also have to factor in the costs for a (mandatory) race license, race suit, MSA approved helmet etc. etc. However, the Saturday is the equivalent of a track day. Anyone can turn up and blast around Curborough for a couple of laps, then get in the queue and have another go. The cost to the 'competitor' (for want of a better word, can't think of one) for Saturday? Well, last year it was nowt. Yep, that's right. Nothing. £0. Not a sausage. Sounds like good value to me. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conibear Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Any event that requires voluntary work is a credit to whoever. But you have not found an event down South that a member such as me will benefit from. I don't have the time to organise an event, but I am only pointing out my opinion in why I think the membership for me is not worth the dosh. This kind of thinking in general really pi55es me off. I have run quite a few events for the club as have many others. I have a full time job, my own cars to build and play with, other peoples cars to run, and lots of other things to take my time up yet I still FIND the time to put something back. As do all of the other members that play an active part in the club. To say in one breath that you have not got the time to organise anything and then moan that no one else has organised an event in the south speaks volumes to me. Why don't you FIND the time and get your in gear and organise something down south. Or do you need everything spoon feeding to you. Rob, calm down. I was trying to write it as if I was not moaning as I AM NOT, because I do not have the time to organise anything, that is what I was trying to say I have stated in both my threads the volunteers deserve credit. But with this internet thing it allows me to have an opinion which is all it is. I am not moaning, trust me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conibear Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Andy, horses for courses totally agree I have no problem with that. But have you got any explanation in why the WSCC does not organise much/if anything down south? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Westy Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Conibear we have joined Borough 19 motor club, they do lots of events down south and seem to be a friendly bunch - maybe something you could consider if you are interested in Southern events? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V 8 Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Or Rob's club, Meldrew Motorsport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Navin Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Or Rob's club, Meldrew Motorsport I don't believe it Just like that ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conibear Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Conibear we have joined Borough 19 motor club, they do lots of events down south and seem to be a friendly bunch - maybe something you could consider if you are interested in Southern events? Thanks, I already do all Semsec events which has a considerable borough 19 influence :'> TBH, I prefer going round a track on more than one consecutive lap. Perhaps I should join Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Navin Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Rob, calm down. I was trying to write it as if I was not moaning as I AM NOT, because I do not have the time to organise anything, that is what I was trying to say I have stated in both my threads the volunteers deserve credit. But with this internet thing it allows me to have an opinion which is all it is. I am not moaning, trust me Quite calm I have to admit I read it as a full blown moan and reading back still do. It does great though when people make these comments but are not prepared to do anything about it themselves. Perhaps thats where the track day companies have the upper hand. They don't need to please members they can dook tracks that they want and peolpe will use them if they want to. So many members, so many opinions ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzer Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Being that it was me that kind of started this discussion I though I had better clarify my position. I have nothing but respect for people who give there time to organise things for the benefit of other people. I agree with Rob and I would never expect people to organise things just because I wanted them. If I wanted the club to run a trip to Tobago then it would not be unreasonable for me to organise it myself. I as I think I said before in the past owners clubs (not just the WSCC) were pretty much the only way you could meet a group of like minded people. So the clubs really did provide something important. I was just interested in understanding what people felt the role of an owners club is now. As a lot of the traditional benefits are available elsewhere. I really don’t think organising trackdays is probably that good way of using people’s energy as the market is already full of good products in this area and I am not really sure how the club could add value. Speed Series is a good arena to show off the cars and what they can do. As long as the majority are not subsidising the minority then it’s a great way to enjoy the cars. Group meets like the Curborough weekend are not my cup of tea, but I can see that they would be appealing to quite a wide audience so are probably a good thing. So I guess the answer to my question is that owners clubs are not as relevant to me as they once were, but they obviously are other people. This has been borne out by how people have defended the club on this thread, the club obviously means a lot to you guys and if you get pleasure from it then that’s a good thing [+] As I said earlier I have been involved with organising group activities and I know how hard it is and people should be grateful the people are prepared to do it. I never meant knock any ones efforts. For instance I think the Boardroom is a very good forum but I don’t think that is because it is supported financially by the WSCC. It is good because of the people who give there time for free to manage it and the people who post and support it. I may disagree with people’s opinions on here sometimes, but for me that’s all part of the fun. Cheers Bazzer PS I am a nice guy really and secretly I really would like a high member rating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhawkins Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 But have you got any explanation in why the WSCC does not organise much/if anything down south? What sort of things are you referring to? Track Days specifically? Or just 'things'? As far as track days go, there aren't really that many tracks in the South. The ones I can obviously think of are either too hampered by noise limits (Combe and Goodwood) or (probably) quite expensive in terms of track hire (Brands). There are plenty of active areas in the South, and our AO had the idea for our 'Meet the Neighbours' event (where people from any area are welcome to spend all day Saturday and early Sunday at our area meet location). That's coming up soon (admittedly in Swindon, so probably the opposite side of the country to you). What else did you have in mind? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V 8 Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Where is this member rating, I've looked all over, has it been taken off? Dying to see how low mine is, does it go into minus figures? Steve Davis will always be below me tho' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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