cast iron Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I started with a 90BHP 1.6 pinto so no power and plenty of weight, but I had a great really enjoyable 3 years of driving it before upgrading to the Zetec SE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenh Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 the 2.0 Duretec is about 25 or 30 kgs lighter than a VX XE 2.0 Really and more expensive aswell Quite true Perksy, quite true. However, the original question didn't ask about cost as far as I recall. So that's it then , Duratec is best. What's the next question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 mhc had it right on page 1. The best N/A engine is the Cossie. If you know what you're doing it is waaaay cheaper than a Duranail to tune and not that much heavier, and will produce similar power. But for what the seer wants it is also waaaay too rare in a Westfield (I know of only 6 or maybe 7, including mine), so the choice is really between Vx and Zetec, and we've been there too many times already... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oioi Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 hasnt been mentioned and not common in a westie, but is light, modern and can be made reliable, and in terms of power delivery really revvy and nice and peaky whilst having sufficient low down torque to be drivable. probably one of the lightest engines as well. K - series? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW500 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 mhc had it right on page 1. The best N/A engine is the Cossie. If you know what you're doing it is waaaay cheaper than a Duranail to tune and not that much heavier, and will produce similar power. But for what the seer wants it is also waaaay too rare in a Westfield (I know of only 6 or maybe 7, including mine), so the choice is really between Vx and Zetec, and we've been there too many times already... So why does it seem the N/A race engine of choice is more often an XE as opposed to the YB - I'm not talking Westfields specifically - just in general. I'm also not disagreeing with you, I've just always thought there wasn't a great deal of difference. The YB is much better supported in aftermarket tuning so why do many of the ford boys drop XE's in their Escorts instead of going down the cossie route? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 mhc had it right on page 1. The best N/A engine is the Cossie. If you know what you're doing it is waaaay cheaper than a Duranail to tune and not that much heavier, and will produce similar power. But for what the seer wants it is also waaaay too rare in a Westfield (I know of only 6 or maybe 7, including mine), so the choice is really between Vx and Zetec, and we've been there too many times already... So why does it seem the N/A race engine of choice is more often an XE as opposed to the YB - I'm not talking Westfields specifically - just in general. I'm also not disagreeing with you, I've just always thought there wasn't a great deal of difference. The YB is much better supported in aftermarket tuning so why do many of the ford boys drop XE's in their Escorts instead of going down the cossie route? Probably 'cos the XE is a bit more common, and is more commonly used. The XE was originally designed by Cosworth as I'm sure you know, but IMHO the YB block is physically stronger, and the OEM crank and rods are *much* stronger than the XE so you can pretty much leave them alone for the vast majority of N/A tuning requirements. The option of going 2.4 over the Vx's limit of 2.2 also means you have far more flexibility when designing the engine with regard to the type of output you want. Rob Gravetts Sapphire touring car from (I think) 90/91 was running 300bhp from 2 litres even back then, and was the inspiration for me to go N/A with my Cossie... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Seabrook Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 mhc had it right on page 1. The best N/A engine is the Cossie. If you know what you're doing it is waaaay cheaper than a Duranail to tune and not that much heavier, and will produce similar power. A good 20% me thinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK11 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I have to agree that the BHP war is a little silly. My first Westfield had a 1600 pinto in standard trim and was great fun to drive, no production "drivers car" could match the level of fun and enjoyment (with the exception of maybe an Elise). My current Westfield has a pretty standard A series pushing out 65 or so BHP, it is still quicker than many think or expect and it is an absolute hoot to drive. Do not get suckered into thinking more BHP = more fun, a Westfield will be quicker and more fun than most cars on all but fast straight dual carriage ways or motorways, but then you are restricted to 70 anyway. Trackdays I can't comment on never having done one, still trying though! The key thing is to drive the car and see how it feels, do not reject a possible car because it doesn't meet the arbitrary pub bragging magic 200. Oh and how are you going to judge whether the car has 200 bhp anyway without taking the engine out and putting it onto a properly calibrated dyno, otherwise you are quite able to come and see my 200bhp N/A 1275cc A series..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stanton Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Ang on a bit ........................ gotta get some more pringles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Seabrook Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 cheese and onion please Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenh Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Found it! go to www.westfield-world.com (sorry, I dont know how to do clickys) and look at the engine comparison page. Duratec is quoted as 97kgs., and the XE 2.0 as 120kgs. I guess that is without ancillaries, but whatever I think it is comparing like with like. The Duretec is all ally, the XE is cast iron block and ally head. If you have an ally block XE of course it is a different story, but aren't they expensive as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 And a Millington block YB is also very light, just like your wallet would be Still want one though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartMackay Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 And a Millington block YB is also very light, just like your wallet would be Still want one though Ah yes Blatters... Millington Diamond with 2.5 litre and 300+bhp....pure sex! I see several of the Irish Rally Boys are using them in their Tarmac Mk2 Escorts and anyone who has seen the U tube Vid of the Escort driving like his trousers are on fire will see the potential of this YB derivative engine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu999 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 QUOTE The Duretec is all ally, the XE is cast iron block and ally head. If you have an ally block XE of course it is a different story, but aren't they expensive as well? *the bite I was waiting patiently for* Ally block it may be, but wow is it some thickness merely to give it the strengh back the block requires. If it didn't, it would be as unreliable as a K series (mentioned above - *sniggers*). Just because it is alloy, doesnt mean it's (much) lighter. And whatever difference there is, it doesnt seem to amount to any measurable performance gain where it counts P'raps owners of XE powered cars are better at finding places to drill more holes? XE it is then. 20 years old this year (nearly as old as the Transit 16v turbo ), and still taking home shiny pots all over the country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedi Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 x/flow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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