Covid Vaccine Poll

[Steve (sdh2903)]

Sorry to hear of your wife's anxiety @DamperMan sadly this seems to be a key covid related issue that gets swept under the carpet by the media.

 

We live on a small cul de sac and all the neighbours are nice sociable people and we all rub along well with the occasional street gathering for a drink. Or even just a chat stood in the street while the kids play. 2 houses have barely been seen for the past 12 months as they work from home and a self confessed fear of being around people in fear of Covid. They are all double jabbed. 

 

Just to relate as this is a car based forum. Last year 2000 people a month were killed or seriously injured on UK roads and that was a quiet year. We accept the risk and just do it without even thinking. Hell we even do it as a hobby! 

 

 

[Kingster]

7 hours ago, DamperMan said:

My wife has COVID itus, this is a media virus.  The government and media have done a fantastic job of scaring the **** out of her.  It’s plugged right into her head…

Actually I have a friend that suffers the same thing. He’s simply terrified and now almost a recluse even though he’s in his late 30’s. Nothing we say can convince him to even visit us in our garden right now. He has actually had Covid too - didn’t fall ill. Bizarre…

[Kingster]

4 minutes ago, Steve (sdh2903) said:

Just to relate as this is a car based forum. Last year 2000 people a month were killed on UK roads and that was a quiet year. We accept the risk and just do it without even thinking. Hell we even do it as a hobby! 

I do think we are at the point of “get on with it” now most of us oldies are double jabbed. 
 

But the difference between car (or flu) death stats is they don’t go up exponentially. We can cope with x deaths a month but not x * x followed by x * x * x  etc.

 

Hopefully the curve is going to flatten so that we really can just get on with it. 

[Man On The Clapham Omnibus]

There were about 130 road deaths per month in 2020. The 2,000 figure is KSIs. (pedant mode). 

[Steve (sdh2903)]

16 minutes ago, Man On The Clapham Omnibus said:

There were about 130 road deaths per month in 2020. The 2,000 figure is KSIs. (pedant mode). 

 

Ah yes. I had misread (doffs cap)  now edited. 

 

[Steve (sdh2903)]

[Blatman]

I think that's a little unfair. The goal posts are moving becasue the virus changed the game... but it made me smile none-the-less

[CraigHew]

I liked boris's advisors,

 

[Stuart]

Just a comment on variants chaps. I'm an old fart (67 next week) and also have a mild lung condition after decades spent in dirty heavy industry. My GP tells me I need to stay outside and socially distanced until the vaccine effectiveness on variants is fully understood. In other words they don't yet fully know how the variants could affect me. And millions of others. So it isn't as simple as 'we should treat it like the flu now'. And that's not meant to be about me but about reasons why they might think they have to push the date out a bit. 

[Richard (OldStager)]

well, at long last i finally got my call up to go.

it is now 24 hours since i had it, and other than a sore arm last night i am fine, none of the side effects as reported, so far anyway...

my 2nd jab is in 8 weeks time, unless boris reduces the wait to 4 weeks.

 

i can not tell you how happy i was to have it and i am still smiling today.

 

richard.

[MR.C]

Not happy about this slipping down the list.

So just wondering July 19 what if the numbers are up (which they are going to be)

Extension till when?

[Steve (sdh2903)]

Rumours in the news suggest the vaccine data might swing an earlier lifting. Well for you englanders anyway. Nikki will have peed off the rest of the UK with her crap and no doubt the wall will go back up 🤣

[Blatman]

46 minutes ago, Steve (sdh2903) said:

Rumours in the news suggest the vaccine data might swing an earlier lifting. Well for you englanders anyway. Nikki will have peed off the rest of the UK with her crap and no doubt the wall will go back up 🤣

 

Very positive vaccine news from the New Scientist magazine. Do read the whole article. It seems faith in the vaccines is well justified and is on the way to being unequivocally proven as a very effective device indeed.

[Richard (OldStager)]

i have to say i had not heard of an increase of risk after 16 days and then the significant drop after 28 ish, nice to know as i am on my first jab so far. i had the pfizer one, that seems to be not as good as the oxford one from that report, but i am still so happy to have at least the first one. my local newsagent used to stock this, but there is only me that bought it and they said it wasnt worth their time just getting one, at least they have certain things online. thanks for posting.

[AdamR]

6 hours ago, Blatman said:

 

Very positive vaccine news from the New Scientist magazine. Do read the whole article. It seems faith in the vaccines is well justified and is on the way to being unequivocally proven as a very effective device indeed.

 

Quotes from the article above:

 

"Out of a sample of 297,493 people who had been vaccinated, 0.5 per cent were subsequently found to have a new infection of covid-19."

 

"From a sample of 210,918 adults who had received both doses of vaccine, just 0.1 per cent were subsequently found to have a new infection."

 

It doesn't say when the above samples were taken, so it could potentially have been a few months back when infections were at their lowest, but some dated figures taken from the same article...

 

"The results of nearly 110,000 swab tests carried out across England between 20 May and 7 June suggest covid-19 infections are around 1 in 670 people infected."

 

Which is less than 0.15%...

 

John Hopkins Uni states a total of 92,810 cases in the last 14 days in England. Note this is TOTAL cases across a 14 day period, not a snapshot taken at any one time! But we'll roll with it anyway because they aren't giving us any proper data, only manipulated stuff to try and keep us scared.

 

 

Of a population of 56 million (England only, remember), thats 0.156% (the two values agree).

 

 

Churning all this through then, the New Scientist article actually states that if you have one jab your chance of getting Covid more than triples, if you have both it goes down by 35% ish - from what was an already incredibly small risk anyway.

 

Even at the highest risk group, 70-85, only 5% of those who contract it will pass away. 5% of 0.156% is a tiny number - 7.8 people per 100,000. 

 

The normal death rate for this age group hovers around 7,000 per 100,000: https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/may2021/monthlymortalityanalysismay20211.xlsx

 

I said right from the start that the measures put in place would end up with worse effects than the disease itself, I still believe that will be the case - more and more the longer this farce is kept up.