Al Yupright Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Is that eliptical tube? Looks like the flat sided oval stuff that shopping trolley undercarriages are made out of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Ashcroft Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Flat sided oval tube. What where you expecting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Yupright Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Just confirmed with Westfield that this is the eliptical tube version of the widetrack kit as fitted to the Sport 2000S. Barry, Had read earlier in the thread that it was elliptical tube, but its not its flat sided oval. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Ashcroft Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Just copied this from the factory site about the Sport 2000s QUOTE Suspension The famous highly developed double wishbone independent rear suspension of the Westfield SEI fitted in over 7000 cars worldwide remains the same. The front suspension now offers oval wide tracked front wishbones coupled with a new wide tracked cantilever front anti roll bar giving the car even more stability in fast track cornering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Just confirmed with Westfield that this is the eliptical tube version of the widetrack kit as fitted to the Sport 2000S. Barry, Had read earlier in the thread that it was elliptical tube, but its not its flat sided oval. I used the word eliptical in my conversation with the factory... not being an expert i didn't actually know there was a difference. Sorry Al I am marginally concerned about the anti roll bar now... I have a plays-kool anti roll bar that fits forward of the chassis tubes in front of the engine... i take it that this is the outboard version??? I am struggling to visualise why this wouldn't work with this setup... anyone got any pics or a decent explanation? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Hurdsfield - Joint Manchester AO Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Someone once told me that oval tube was just just round tube put through a pair of rollers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidR Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Someone once told me that oval tube was just just round tube put through a pair of rollers or drawn through a die, but essentially the same end result. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.B Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 I am marginally concerned about the anti roll bar now... I have a plays-kool anti roll bar that fits forward of the chassis tubes in front of the engine... i take it that this is the outboard version??? I am struggling to visualise why this wouldn't work with this setup... anyone got any pics or a decent explanation? Me too - I have a Westfield ARB and I'm only holding off putting my name down for a set whilst pics / answers to the front ARB question are published. I also can't visualise how the inboard ARB works and / or why a longer outboard ARB won't work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Ashcroft Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 The inboard antiroll bar is a work of art very very nice The outoard rollbar would be fine if the bar was made 50mm longer to compensate with the extra wishbone lengh. Now this is how I see it, it appears but I have not confirmed this that the inboard bar will not fit on a V8 so the most obvious solution for me/muttley and any other member with or who needs to retain the outboard antiroll bar is for the factory to make/supply a replacement bar which is longer so we can use the existing brackets etc and fit the wide track. Who agrees? So I will contact the factory and see if they are willing to do this if not I will try to source one myself but would prefare the factory to help us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooders Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 The inboard antiroll bar is a work of art very very nice The outoard rollbar would be fine if the bar was made 50mm longer to compensate with the extra wishbone lengh. Now this is how I see it, it appears but I have not confirmed this that the inboard bar will not fit on a V8 so the most obvious solution for me/muttley and any other member with or who needs to retain the outboard antiroll bar is for the factory to make/supply a replacement bar which is longer so we can use the existing brackets etc and fit the wide track. Who agrees? So I will contact the factory and see if they are willing to do this if not I will try to source one myself but would prefare the factory to help us. Barry I agreed i have standard track and the outboard roll bar which is not suitable for the wide tack setup, on speaking to the factory they told me that it had to be the in board setup which is but at approximatly £300.00 alot of money ontop of the wide track setup and probably a new set of shocks. If it is just the case of taking into account the extra track width which will allow the use of the outboard setup i think alot of people would take up this option and there would be more takers for the wide track bulk buy. Keep me posted as i want wide track but i would like to use my existing rollbar setup. Cheers Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.B Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 ..........so the most obvious solution for me/muttley and any other member with or who needs to retain the outboard antiroll bar is for the factory to make/supply a replacement bar which is longer so we can use the existing brackets etc and fit the wide track. Who agrees? So I will contact the factory and see if they are willing to do this if not I will try to source one myself but would prefare the factory to help us. Yes - would like to retain the existing brackets etc - just seems a longer ARB is all that's needed. Getting a bit confused as to what ARB options will work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooders Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 ..........so the most obvious solution for me/muttley and any other member with or who needs to retain the outboard antiroll bar is for the factory to make/supply a replacement bar which is longer so we can use the existing brackets etc and fit the wide track. Who agrees? So I will contact the factory and see if they are willing to do this if not I will try to source one myself but would prefare the factory to help us. Yes - would like to retain the existing brackets etc - just seems a longer ARB is all that's needed. Getting a bit confused as to what ARB options will work. Yes if you can retain the existing brackets it would be good as i have cut outs in my nose cone for the exist setup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 I know that when PKM was in business Paul told me that we could just bend up a longer bar if i went wide track... the only issue i could see with this westfield setup is that the shock position has moved outward which changes the angle of the shock, which may cause problems with a longer bar... If this is not the case then why don't we just get a batch of bars bent up ourselves... or talk to Paul who may be willing to revive an old contact and sell a batch to us on mass. Are the factory roll bars and PKM roll bars the same diameter? I had a Terry nightingale bar before which was a lot thinner than the PKM one. Anyone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Yupright Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 The factory bars are tubular with welded on arms. You would of course need the bar to be 100mm wider, not 50mm as talked about above. The only downside would be it would be a bit softer than the original due to the extra width. For some people that would be a good thing, for some not great. IMO the inboard ARB is for bling only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Ashcroft Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Ok the inboard roll bar has absolutley no chance of fitting a V8. You need clear line of site across the chassis behind the top wishbone rear mount in a V8 that is through cylinders 1 & 5 So the only option is to extend the origanal roll bar so I will speak to Mark tomorrow to see if they will help or I'll seek an alternative source but hoprfully the factory will help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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