DonPeffers Posted October 20, 2019 Author Posted October 20, 2019 I just found a helpful flowchart. Quote
NickBW Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 Parliament couldnt manage a pissup in a brewery. Its a disgrace its got this far. Its appalling. Quote
Steve (sdh2903) Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 Is there anyway that parliament can be dissolved? as it's clear they aren't fit for purpose. I'm new to all this politics nonsense so dont know if that's even a thing, but as it stands I doubt we'll get anywhere. As much as it pains me we need a general election to elect some politicians who actually want to crack on and get **** done. 1 Quote
corsechris Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 Sadly, an election will only do one of two things. Leave the same bunch in power, or replace them with another bunch of equally feckless, dishonest a********s. 3 Quote
Alan Cutler (Adge) - Dorset AO Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 November 5th is coming up, anybody called Fawkes about? 3 Quote
jeff oakley Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 Boris wanted an election, those opposed to Brexit do not, well they do but only when they have tied the parliamentary process up with amendments and legal sureties that mean we cannot actually leave. We have Mandelson and Campbell along with others now saying that we need all this then, not a second referendum, but a peoples vote (apparently not the same) when the public can then be given many questions on how to stay and one to leave. In that way they can claim it is the public that has done this not the two faced MP''s whose word no one will ever trust again. The EU will clearly give an extension as they see a chance of hanging on to the cash we give. If Johnson was to win a majority in a GE, we would still have the whole process start over again but this time with not only the speaker against him but also everyone who is against unpicking the handcuffs that have just been placed around his wrists. Whatever way you voted, the actions of the MP's is shameful 2 Quote
Nick Algar - Competition Secretary Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, jeff oakley said: Boris wanted an election, those opposed to Brexit do not, well they do but only when they have tied the parliamentary process up with amendments and legal sureties that mean we cannot actually leave. We have Mandelson and Campbell along with others now saying that we need all this then, not a second referendum, but a peoples vote (apparently not the same) when the public can then be given many questions on how to stay and one to leave. In that way they can claim it is the public that has done this not the two faced MP''s whose word no one will ever trust again. The EU will clearly give an extension as they see a chance of hanging on to the cash we give. If Johnson was to win a majority in a GE, we would still have the whole process start over again but this time with not only the speaker against him but also everyone who is against unpicking the handcuffs that have just been placed around his wrists. Whatever way you voted, the actions of the MP's is shameful Sounds about right they will twist is round to make it anyone else's fault but their own. What has gone on recently has shown just how corrupt and dishonest they really are. However aren't we getting rid of that corrupt speaker on the 31st Oct, who has ruined the impartiality of his office. What annoys me the most is when the idiot Politicians stand up and say it doesn't matter to leave the decision for another 6 months / 1 year etc. It's the indiscision which is now damaging the country more than anything. 4 Quote
Kingster Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 9 hours ago, jeff oakley said: Whatever way you voted, the actions of the MP's is shameful Something I think we can all actually agree on! 7 hours ago, Nick - Joint North East AO said: It's the indiscision which is now damaging the country more than anything. Indeed! 5 Quote
Paul Hurdsfield - Joint Manchester AO Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 They (the politicians) have made this country a laughing stock on the world stage. Quote
RICHARD+PHILIP Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 On a Positive note I get a nice green Number plate! so that's all ok. Quote
Steve (sdh2903) Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Boris fed up with parliament or blatant bullying? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50142367 Quote
Steve (sdh2903) Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 I did hear a quote saying that parliament had longer time to scrutinise the legislation over circus animals than boris wants to give them to scrutinise the future of the UK. What's old boris hiding in there he doesn't want everyone to see? I want this sorting as much as the next person and really cant see the issue in a small delay of a couple of weeks or a month. We only get to do this once. And it affects us for generations. Why rush it in 3 days when you've been fannying around for 3 years. 2 Quote
DonPeffers Posted October 22, 2019 Author Posted October 22, 2019 19 hours ago, AdgeC said: November 5th is coming up, anybody called Fawkes about? Hence the un-Parliamentary phrase 'for Fawkes sake' when expressing frustration at our useless MPs. Labour and Corbyn rejected the deal before reading it YET now say they need yonks to study it and raise objections; what tosh. LibunDem and SNP position is to reject so they don't need to study the Withdrawal Treaty to vote against it. That should shorten the debating time a lot. If amendments are made by Parliament then the EU Withdrawal Deal may not be acceptable to EU and would need to be reopened for a second time and once again renegotiated IF the EU agreed. A General Election in mid-Winter (I can't wait for Brenda from Bristol's reaction) where history shows us that 50% of the seats never change Party might still achieve a hung Parliament----is there a solution in the last two words(comedy). 1 Quote
Exitus Posted October 25, 2019 Posted October 25, 2019 On 22/10/2019 at 14:14, Steve (sdh2903) said: I did hear a quote saying that parliament had longer time to scrutinise the legislation over circus animals than boris wants to give them to scrutinise the future of the UK. What's old boris hiding in there he doesn't want everyone to see? The ironic bit is if he hadn't unlawfully prorogued parliament and just got on with actually negotiating a deal, he'd have had plenty of time to get the deal through Parliament. With enough time to scrutinise it properly. Even now, the deal was voted upon and it was agreed to pass onto second reading. If he just allowed a sensible time period for it to be read, it would probably pass, and we would leave the EU shortly. Instead he's thrown a hissy fit. 1 Quote
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