MVS Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 QUOTE Evo Magazine building a kit Feb issue = 5 pages April issue = 4 pages May issue = 2 pages June issue = 2 pages July issue = 3 pages August issue = 4 pages Practical classics Building a car Oct = 3 pages Nov = 3 pages Dec = 3 Pages Jan = 3 Pages Feb = 1 page Mar = 3 pages Evo Track day car of the year 2005 2 models Featured Evo Driven section New shape June 06 Auto car November 4 pages May 4 pages, and a conclusion coming soon. Circuit driver 1600 Jan – 4 pages Track and race car 1600 April 1600– 2 pages April factory – 3 pages CSMA 1600 Feb – 1 page Kit Car 1600 Feb 06 – 6 pages April 06 6 pages Which Kit Car Feb – 5 Pages Classic and sports car December 05 – 4 pages Feb 06 - 1 page Test Drive March 06 – 4 pages Auto car New shape March 06 Circuit Driver New Shape and old shape June 06 – 5 pages Total kit car XI 1600 FW shape Sport 2000s Topgear.com 1 page Yup but it's all too specialised, the motoring press stuff is all too aimed at interested sports car drivers, not Joe public / Mr average so will have little effect on the brand. Yes this is regular But.. you have to ask why it is having little effect? But where is the product placement?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVS Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 QUOTE I'm also staggered at the arrogance of thinking that the Westfield PR people haven't already thought of that, as if it's as simple as asking Hammond to get involved and he'll just say yes. goodness me... No Arrogance involved It's often the simplest / basic ideas that get forgotten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dern Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 I am with you Scooby and I will not sell mine for a penny less than it is worth, if I ever sell. This is a *very* easy thing to say until you find yourself in a position where you have to sell and no one calls you. I'm not sure what Scooby is saying anyway, seems like a lot of bravado without substance... what exactly am I supposed to do to support the effort? Should I put the price up of my car, is that what is being asked to support the cause? I'll happily and willingly continue to sing the praises of westfield cars and continue to tell people that my car is a bargain but raise the price and forego a sale in order to help raise the overall price of our cars... no, I can't do that I'm sorry. There's a limited period of the year where these things are in the minds of many people and come winter I'll get even less for it. I'm not about to join in a social experiment to please people with nothing to lose. If anyone wants to support the cause to that extent then buy mine or the bargain zetec and readvertise it at a higher price and attempt to turn bravado into a profit. Regards, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morbius Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 What i mean is, when i say "have you got any Coke?", it really doesn't matter to me what i get, so long as it is coke like.That is based apon the fact that i probably heard the word coke very early on, much like people only heard the word Hoover because that's all there was, so it just became synonymous with that product. Coke like? Which sort of Coke? The sort in cans or the sort that makes your nose run? I would not drink Pepsi through choice, not least because it has three letters in common with p!$$. I would rather drink generic supermarket cola if there was no Coke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dern Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 If we want to push values up to a more sensible level, then it *is* time we started thinking about the brand, and it is time we started behaving like it mattered. But we have to start somewhere, so why not with the next person who puts a for sale ad up. Then the next, then the next, etc. In 3 months time there'll be a bunch of Westfields for sale at the right money and buyers will have no choice but to pay proper money *unless a bargain like Derns (or whoever) comes along*. Is it really that hard to work out? No, it makes perfect sense except that you can't ask other people whose financial circumstances are their own business to risk not selling their car within their required time frame just to prepare the way for everyone else increasing the value of their cars... it's totally unreasonable. Regards, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby Posted July 11, 2006 Author Share Posted July 11, 2006 I am with you Scooby and I will not sell mine for a penny less than it is worth, if I ever sell. This is a *very* easy thing to say until you find yourself in a position where you have to sell and no one calls you. I'm not sure what Scooby is saying anyway, seems like a lot of bravado without substance... what exactly am I supposed to do to support the effort? Should I put the price up of my car, is that what is being asked to support the cause? I'll happily and willingly continue to sing the praises of westfield cars and continue to tell people that my car is a bargain but raise the price and forego a sale in order to help raise the overall price of our cars... no, I can't do that I'm sorry. There's a limited period of the year where these things are in the minds of many people and come winter I'll get even less for it. I'm not about to join in a social experiment to please people with nothing to lose. If anyone wants to support the cause to that extent then buy mine or the bargain zetec and readvertise it at a higher price and attempt to turn bravado into a profit. Regards, Mark Dern you seem to be taking this all very personal. Maybe you have another agenda for your views ? I'am not asking you to increase the price of your car I not giving you bravado without substance I'am not trying to put the world to right. Its just an obersvation i have made and i have put it on here for views. ........to be honest Dern it's people like you with you negative defetest attitude thats helping devalue the Westfield product. Try looking at the positive aspect of this idea (thats all it is) and work on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morbius Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Yup but it's all too specialised, the motoring press stuff is all too aimed at interested sports car drivers, not Joe public / Mr average so will have little effect on the brand. Yes this is regular But.. you have to ask why it is having little effect? But where is the product placement?? Sorry, Chap, but our cars are specialised whether you like it or not. Joe public wants a car that will impress his neighbours when sat on his drive. I doubt more than 30% of people that buy Imprezas/Evos can actually drive them properly as they were designed to be. The fact that our cars in the main actually go as quickly round corners as they look they might would leave Joe (and Jane) public needing a change of underwear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dern Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Dern you seem to be taking this all very personal. Maybe you have another agenda for your views ? I'am not asking you to increase the price of your car I not giving you bravado without substance I'am not trying to put the world to right. Its just an obersvation i have made and i have put it on here for views. ........to be honest Dern it's people like you with you negative defetest attitude thats helping devalue the Westfield product. Try looking at the positive aspect of this idea (thats all it is) and work on that Practically I'm in the position where I need to sell my car this summer and I'm taking a practical line on selling it re the value. I'd love to keep it but circumstances dictate that that's unfortunately not an option for me. As for thinking negatively that's an absurd thing to say. If I sell it for 10k it will be a very positive result for me because I'll have had a great 6 months with a top car and turned a small profit. I'm not taking this personally at all, what a load of nonsense. Perhaps you could clarify your comments... why do you think I'm being negative, what do you imagine my agenda is and also what exactly are you asking me, or indeed anyone else to do? Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby Posted July 11, 2006 Author Share Posted July 11, 2006 Dern you seem to be taking this all very personal. Maybe you have another agenda for your views ? I'am not asking you to increase the price of your car I not giving you bravado without substance I'am not trying to put the world to right. Its just an obersvation i have made and i have put it on here for views. ........to be honest Dern it's people like you with you negative defetest attitude thats helping devalue the Westfield product. Try looking at the positive aspect of this idea (thats all it is) and work on that Practically I'm in the position where I need to sell my car this summer and I'm taking a practical line on selling it re the value. I'd love to keep it but circumstances dictate that that's unfortunately not an option for me. As for thinking negatively that's an absurd thing to say. If I sell it for 10k it will be a very positive result for me because I'll have had a great 6 months with a top car and turned a small profit. I'm not taking this personally at all, what a load of nonsense. Perhaps you could clarify your comments... why do you think I'm being negative, what do you imagine my agenda is and also what exactly are you asking me, or indeed anyone else to do? Mark Just go back and read your post's on this thread. Then read the thread title Then tell me you not being a little negative. Nuff said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffC Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 As Ive posted in another thread as Ive got a busa I keep an eye on them when they come up for sale, Ive bought/sold a few and Ive noticed them dropping in price the last few months... my views on values are.. A westy is like any other car, prices are dictated by the market into which they are sold , for eg. Human nature a buyer wants a car as cheap as he can, no one wants to pay top price ...So If a buyer sees a Busa at say £11k (could be sh*t spec) he may be ignorant to what hes buying so will expect to pay that for the next car he sees, higher price cars remain unsold..he wont remember the cheaper cars spec but he *will * remember the price .. The same thing with the guy selling his car, he will do a bit of research on various sites, trader / ebay etc notice the sh*t spec busa for £11k, see other hi spec cars at £14k not selling (his may be a hi spec, ) and he will follow the pricing having a knock on effect on values , before long the market now dictates that Busas are worth xyz . anyone trying to achieve true values will struggle.. FWIW Prices fluctuated all last year and strangley there were more bargains during the summer than at the start and end on the season, I reckon this year so far is no different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVS Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Yup but it's all too specialised, the motoring press stuff is all too aimed at interested sports car drivers, not Joe public / Mr average so will have little effect on the brand. Yes this is regular But.. you have to ask why it is having little effect? But where is the product placement?? Sorry, Chap, but our cars are specialised whether you like it or not. Joe public wants a car that will impress his neighbours when sat on his drive. I doubt more than 30% of people that buy Imprezas/Evos can actually drive them properly as they were designed to be. The fact that our cars in the main actually go as quickly round corners as they look they might would leave Joe (and Jane) public needing a change of underwear. I think I'm being misunderstood. I'm purely thinking about longer term increasing public awareness of the brand, and hopefully therefore values, this is regardless of the product specialisation. Sorry but have to drop Skoda into the argument. OK they had a lot of V dub's money to help, but where was that brand, and where is it now. I agree with your Scooby / Evo comments, and these can be extended to almost any higher performance motor, even down to the Gti sector. Looking @ the Scooby example, how well have they sold, and how are they percieved, and what are their residuals like for a specialised motor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff oakley Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 No, it makes perfect sense except that you can't ask other people whose financial circumstances are their own business to risk not selling their car within their required time frame just to prepare the way for everyone else increasing the value of their cars... it's totally unreasonable. Regards, Mark Dern, I am not having a go at you at all. The point I made was that we cannot dictate what people sell at or buy at it is a personal thing, but we should be able to have some way of valuing a car of a given type and raise expectations. Now if we take your car I don't know loads of people who have aeroscreened track V8s (this is where I get shot down in flames) , normally they are fitted out with all the kit and then command prices reflecting that level of finish, Barry sold his last car at the Exeter show and it wasn't cheap but reflected it's condition and build quality. If anyone has had fun and is prepared to take a hit, then so be it, but the point made was caterham have the same fun and don't take the level of hit that some Westfield owners do. If we had a brand which comanded the cache of others just think how much more our cars would be worth, including yours. I hope you sell yours and anyone else who is advertising theirs but as others have pointed out if you look on other sites the cars are priced higher than on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stanton Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 QUOTE but the point made was caterham have the same fun and don't take the level of hit that some Westfield owners do. I'm not sure about that the residual thread was made a while back and someone I think undertook a quick over-view and noted that percentage wise Caterhams still took as much a whack as a Westfield - just that the starting price was higher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dern Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Dern, I am not having a go at you at all. The point I made was that we cannot dictate what people sell at or buy at it is a personal thing, but we should be able to have some way of valuing a car of a given type and raise expectations. Now if we take your car I don't know loads of people who have aeroscreened track V8s (this is where I get shot down in flames) , normally they are fitted out with all the kit and then command prices reflecting that level of finish, Barry sold his last car at the Exeter show and it wasn't cheap but reflected it's condition and build quality. If anyone has had fun and is prepared to take a hit, then so be it, but the point made was caterham have the same fun and don't take the level of hit that some Westfield owners do. If we had a brand which comanded the cache of others just think how much more our cars would be worth, including yours. I hope you sell yours and anyone else who is advertising theirs but as others have pointed out if you look on other sites the cars are priced higher than on here. I completely agree with you regarding the aeroscreen and so on and from the questions I have fielded potential buyers feel the same. Therefore I priced it accordingly so that someone gets a good car and has enough money in reserve to change it to what ever spec they want and even then they feel they have a bargain and I'm happy with what I get for it. Perhaps I could spend the time and money putting it back to a full screen and asking more for it but I don't have the will or the time and so we are where we are. Regards, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dern Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Just go back and read your post's on this thread.Then read the thread title Then tell me you not being a little negative. Nuff said I don't believe I'm being negative, just giving my honest opinion. Explain why you think I'm being negative and also explain what you'd like me to do about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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