Blatman Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Should I fit LSD? Yes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detailer Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 Quaife ATB £440 for my escort english live axle. I'm told ATB is "newer" technology and also more reliable for not needing parts the same as LSD. Is this right? Also will the car drive much better with ATB in the wet/damp as this is really when it is lethal with the current live axel setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markcoopers Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I don't know about newer, but different yes. The plate types are very adjustable to your choice of set up, but their nature works by alowing slip between the plates, or something similar, so wearout. + they have to be set to take into account the weight or the car and the traction from tyres, power band etc. ATB is fit and forget, and so long as it has the right oil will be fine. Worth shopping around and ebay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bultacobarry Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I wanted a ATB diff, but the local rally guru convinced me to fit a tran-x plate type diff. The people I spoke too, told me that plate types are more predictable and consistant and better suited for hillclimbs. As regards wear, with the correct oil I was told I should see 3-4 seasons of sprints/hill/light road before maintenance is required. I am no expert, but would say any type of LSD will make a hell of a difference. And as an added bonus I no longer need the handbrake to turn in tight spaces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markcoopers Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Detailer, when you say the car is lethal in the wet, what do you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detailer Posted January 25, 2006 Author Share Posted January 25, 2006 I mean like driving on ice! I don't have a problem in that I clench my buttocks and drive Very Slow round any corners in the wet. No fun at all. My brother called the westie ****e after spinning twice at Oulton Park in the wet. He laughed at the lack of grip. Said his Civic type R would have cornered twice as fast no bother! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Lack of weight is the biggest enemy in the wet, although a crap set up won't help. LSD just makes it a bit more predictable when it does all go sideways... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Said his Civic type R would have cornered twice as fast no bother! Wonder if thats what the guy that span in to me was thinking just before he lost it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenstreak-Andy D Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Have been looking for an ATB for a while, they are very rare second hand and fetch almost new prices on ebay, so when funds allow i will get a new ATB........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detailer Posted January 26, 2006 Author Share Posted January 26, 2006 Yes I've been scanning ebay too for 2nd hand ATB. For the money they are after it ain't worth buying 2nd hand. ATB next job after new rad/cooling kit and FIA roll bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Mack Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 hmm... if it isn't fun in the wet then I'd suggest an ATB will not help, something else needs sorting. Are you spinning it under power, on lift off or neutral throttle? An ATB only generally affects things under power. Without an LSD you will tend to spin just one rear tyre, the other generally maintains grip which gives it directional stability. With an ATB you will tend to spin both wheels. This gives better acceleration and more ability to steer it on the throttle but generally LESS directional stability. More finesse is needed. In my experience anway..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
congorobot Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 ive just bought a quaife, and am waiting to have it fitted. Paid £410 from rally design, paying £85 for new bearings for diff, pinion and half shafts, £60 for a second hand but good condition crown and pinion, and a further £75 in labour to get the crown and pinion meshed. £631 in total. Should be good though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detailer Posted January 27, 2006 Author Share Posted January 27, 2006 Our car is lethal in the wet under power. So ATB will not help this? More finesse is needed. In my experience anway..... LOL! I've never spun it in the wet so I'll tell my brother he has the touch of a rapist where the westie is concerned then hehe! On a serious note will the car be faster with ATB or just dumbing down the experience? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felters Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 The car will be quicker with an ATB. Wet performance - IMHO - is massively affected by tyre choice as well. If you want to go fast in the wet get yourself some proper wet tyres - Yoko A021's for example - and see what a difference it makes. That said, a modern FWD hatch with all the electronic wizardry turned on is always going to have an edge in the rain. But wait till it dries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 Our car is lethal in the wet under power. How so? Describe what it does and we'll tell you if an ATB will help or not. I suspect it will help, but you may also have a set up issue to consider as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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