Arm Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 I'm still thinking of my post earlier in the year. Don't hold your breath for a miracle cure . I too shall keep up the alcohol consumption. Not really strong enough to kill the virus but fun trying. Quote
Blatman Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Arm said: I'm still thinking of my post earlier in the year. Don't hold your breath for a miracle cure . I too shall keep up the alcohol consumption. Not really strong enough to kill the virus but fun trying. I'm about to wheel out my inner pedant... Vaccines aren't a cure, they're preventative measure and if we all have to have one once a year, so what? The real trick is that IF one of the 200 vaccines in development works, it won't be an immediate return to normal for the vaccinated because (I'm guessing) they can still be carriers, and even then, some vaccines take a few days to kick start the immune system. From "we have a vaccine" to getting back to normal will be several months and that will be the most frustrating part for many... Quote
Man On The Clapham Omnibus Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 Vaccines aren't even a preventative, they are a 'severity attenuator'. You may still get the disease, but at a lower level because your immune system is pre-prepared. Whom Tyler, leader of the pedants' revolt! Quote
jim_l Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Man On The Clapham Omnibus said: Vaccines aren't even a preventative, they are a 'severity attenuator'. You may still get the disease, but at a lower level because your immune system is pre-prepared. Yep a bit of both I think, fewer vaccinated people get it, and vaccinated people fare better if you do get it (often MUCH better) The company that pays my pension is responsible for the antibody therapy Trump was given, it is on trial in three countries. They analysed the the blood of hundreds of 'post Covid' people, identified the antibodies, and have synthetically replicated them. This effectively bypasses the vaccine, going straight to an infusion of antibodies if I understand correctly. Unfortunately the manufacturing capacity for mass use is highly unlikely, it may have uses in the most vulnerable, perhaps strategically, say in care home workers to provide a kind of 'firewall' between residents and the outside world, and sometimes in dumb presidents! Not everyone is a fan of big pharma, like many corporations they pay too little corporation tax, people think they overcharge, they do provide many of the best jobs around, and just the one company I worked for spent 6 billion a year on research, monoclonal antibodies is an example that has had a phenomenal amount of money thrown at it but not made a penny yet (not so long ago Trump (and Corbyn) wanted to build factories and 'replace' big pharma) Quote
DonPeffers Posted October 11, 2020 Author Posted October 11, 2020 On 02/10/2020 at 14:39, DonPeffers said: MP Ferrier........Rule of six words. Incomprehensible, indefensible, reprehensible, political career over. MP Ferrier still trying to hang on as MP. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54496759 "Margaret Ferrier: Covid MP says virus 'makes you act out of character''. "The SNP suspended Ms Ferrier and the Metropolitan Police is investigating the incident". So is covid making one 'act out of character' now a recognised symptom? Quote
jim_l Posted October 11, 2020 Posted October 11, 2020 19 minutes ago, DonPeffers said: MP Ferrier still trying to hang on as MP. I wouldn't hang her out to dry, I don't like the idea that we choose whether there is a witch hunt or not depending on how liked a person is. Others have done it and the press have gone halfway to defending them, or let it slide by quietly. Isn't there a mechanism by which her constituents can petition for a by-election, if that happens fine, it should be up to them. Quote
DonPeffers Posted October 12, 2020 Author Posted October 12, 2020 Regarding MP Ferrier it seems fine will be £1000 for not self-isolating when knowingly having covid but still using public transport. She got positive covid test result 28 sep.(day she spoke in Commons) and travelled 29 sep. (2 trains it seems) and Parliament informed 30 sep. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-ferriers-covid-infected-journey-22780105 Recall of MPs Act 2015. "A custodial prison sentence of a year or less (longer sentences automatically disqualify MPs without need for a petition due to the Representation of the People Act 1981); Suspension from the House of at least 10 sitting days or 14 calendar days, following a report by the Committee on Standards; A conviction for providing false or misleading expenses claims." From the above it would seem MP recall procedure will only apply if House of Commons Standards Committee consider her 'error' sufficiently serious to merit a 14 calendar day suspension. Commons required covid deep-clean and delay in notifying positive status could have contributed to further spread not to mention public transport travel. Wait and see what transpires. How can the public be expected to follow covid law and rules when an MP 'makes an error'? ADDED--- Worse still she slated Cummings in a video for his trip. Quote
Blatman Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, DonPeffers said: How can the public be expected to follow covid law and rules when an MP 'makes an error'? Flawed thinking. Do we all slavishly follow the lead of our MP's? No, of course not. We set our own standards. Only the clinically stupid would use the very worst behavior of our elected officials as a model for their own behavior and when they do, they'll be called out for being clinically stupid. The issue is that the disease is only mildly fatal. If it was Ebola running loose in the UK the situation would be very different. Ignoring the guidelines would almost certainly be fatal. Who's feeling brave now? Quote
DonPeffers Posted October 12, 2020 Author Posted October 12, 2020 Just now, Blatman said: Who's feeling brave now? Not many over 65's with underlying. Quote
Blatman Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 Isn't that the point. NO-ONE should be feeling brave. The population should take it as seriously for themselves as it is for those who are over 65 and have underlying. My point being, if it was Ebola running free, attitudes would be massively different. Quote
DonPeffers Posted October 13, 2020 Author Posted October 13, 2020 On 12/10/2020 at 13:13, Blatman said: Flawed thinking. Do we all slavishly follow the lead of our MP's? I'm perfectly willing to follow their lead of a 4.1% increase in remuneration from April 2021. Quote
Blatman Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, DonPeffers said: I'm perfectly willing to follow their lead of a 4.1% increase in remuneration. Seconded... Quote
Arm Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 "How can the public be expected to follow covid law and rules when an MP 'makes an error'?" Its not my view Don . And I don't support her any more than Dominic Cummins. But to make a leap that because they didnt follow the rules I won't is incredible. Maybe the words she made an error is part of the thought process. As a population are we so blinkered we will now blame this lady mp. It was stupid it was daft but its no excuse for the rest of us. My mate got done for speeding, he's a notable person so it must be OK for me to speed also ..... Quote
Blatman Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Arm said: My mate got done for speeding, You haven't got any mates... Quote
Arm Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 Remove you from my Will for comments like that...... But true Son Quote
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