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never before was the quote .. a cynic was 'a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing .. more appropriate.

Roger, you know what you want and that's fine. You're entitled to change your mind (although the club's offerings haven't changed or decreased since you joined four years ago). As I said, what the club offers as a package isn't for everyone (what is?), and the WSCC is now on reflection clearly not your pint of beer - fair enough, each to their own. I could post up a rebuttal to your post and correct things mentioned I know to be wrong, but you've obviously already made up your mind, so there's clearly no point in doing so. All I will say is that I find some of your points to be rather flawed and misguided. As Gary rightly said - this is a club with a forum, not a forum with a club. It was a club long before Internet forums even existed. The clue is in the name when you join - Westfield Sports Car CLUB. If one feels the benefits of a product are wrong for them after they have bought it (and re-purchased it repeatedly), the fault is not with the product but with the buyer who fails to understand what is clearly being offered at the time of purchase and ensure it matches their needs or desires. (You might like to remember that while you have indeed given valuable advice, you've also received quite a bit.) Getting back to the original point, you want a forum only membership level. You've stated you use many free forums, so because of that I have serious doubts you'd be willing to pay anything for a forum only membership even if it existed. For the many reasons already outlined in this thread and many more as well, it's not going to happen, nor is the subject going to be revisited. It would be the ruination of this excellent club, and it won't happen on my watch. I have member experience from other areas in my life and have watched it happen more than once - it's not pretty and often sad. There will be no divisive, unmanageable, two-tier membership system in the WSCC. Roger, thanks for your patronage of the club during your time as a member, which I know will shortly be coming to an end. I wish you well in the future and hope you enjoy your Westfield for many years to come. I appreciate all the opinions and support expressed by the others in this thread - thank you. (As the subject has run its course, and to avoid it inevitably deteriorating into an unproductive and unhelpful argument, I'm locking the thread.)

I have to say that I think the club has it about right now - I joined when I first got my Westy but left a few years later due to some of the reasons outlined by our Chairman. I think in the time I initially joined I posted about 3 times and 2 of them ended up being knocked to bits so I left. But it's so different now and I feel happy to join in discussions and post new things as I hope they may be helpful to someone, somewhere. sometime - I have certainly learnt many things about Westfield (and C20XE) ownership via the club. I must admit to being something of a "quiet" person so don't tend to join in on the social side but then that's the nice thing - you can dip in and out of things or just pay your subscription and little else (though that "Tall Dutch Bloke" has twisted my arm to go along to the next meet and I'm looking forward to meeting everyone at Silverstone ). I've even told myself that I'll write an article or two for the mag - even if it turns out to be either self indulgent or technical (or possibly both ). I find the club magazine (and calendar) useful and informative, sometimes for the "expeditions" people have been on, but also as a reminder that this club is, very much a "club" - of like minded people and it's good to read and see what people have been doing either just pootling about or in competitions. So is the annual fee worth it? Well, I'm "retired" and we're currently living off my savings (and looking forward to next year when the government can start paying me a pension) - so every penny matters at the moment, but yes, the cost of membership is nothing compared to the facts of life - for heavens sake it's just cost me £50 to take my cat to the vet for some eye drops !! I really do hope that the Westfield car, and the WSCC make it for another 30 years.

Simple. No one is forcing anyone to pay. If anyone doesn't like it...don't pay...Theres plenty of free 'Advice' on the Internet go and use it It's about value not price.. this is good value even for just the forum. If you don't see the value don't buy it. I would happily pay more..... we all spend more on a night out or a meal and no one complains

Booked! Will be up on Thursday night

comp secs now emailed! thanks guys

early start is no bother to me, up get ,fed leave . a nice shandy at the Applecross Inn around 1

Iza booked and paid.

I am surprised this hasn't bookd up quicker, Always a good day. I have a busy schedule over the next few weeks with track days but if there are any places left I may book a late slot if my car survives Anglesey on the 1st July.

Many thanks for the kind words about the ad everyone. My view is simply that anyone interested in cars of this nature really should be provided with as much meaningful information and detail as possible because everything contributes to the package and ownership experience. I remember when I was looking for my first Westfield 5 or 6 years ago I became a member on here a good few months in advance to read up and ask questions and that stood me in very good stead when looking for and finally buying the car you see above and developing it since. Hopefully a sale is imminent to a friend of a member on here and if it happens he sounds like a thoroughly decent fella. I've also told him how great this club is as well. Will report back if it happens. For info and for my sins I've now moved to the 'dark side' but plan to stick around if you'll have me! This is still the best club by far for lots of reasons and my membership fee has been repaid many, many times over! I'm sure I can count on advice if I ever need it as well. Thanks again.

Thanks Craig, yep it was a perfect day tbh. I was in the burgundy Westie, Mark let me mount the GoPro on his full cage. Agree, need to look at lower and better mounts. Remote mic too would be good I'm no expert with the GoPro but good to have as a memory! Andy

Here we go, his name is Michael, he posts as 1WestfieldSeven, there's a thread by him on Pre Lits here - http://forum.wscc.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic/118753-alloy-pre-lit-chassis-numbers/?hl=pre+lit#entry1249447 And another - http://forum.wscc.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic/116152-alloy-pre-litigation-westfield-sevens/?hl=pre+lit#entry1222440

Booked in. Javelin have withdrawn the discount code as 'it got into the public domain'. Lame excuse. If they wanted to provide club members a discount they could govern it. Hey ho £129 can't grumble at that price

If we didn't have any of the above then the result would be a dictatorship wherby the club is run in a manner that a few sellect people want and not in the best interests of the majority of the club members.This framework exists so club members can put forward ideas for discussion by the commitee and ulimately have them voted on by the wider membership. This is called being Fair. If you dont want to abide by the same rules as everyone else then thats fine, but don't expect them to change just for you. If you want change then use your democratic vote or stand for election. As has already been said, this is a club and the fee pays for membership of that. I pay more than that for membership of other clubs that dont even have a forum. If yoy feel you can get you westfield advice for free on one of the other forums you have listed then i wish you good luck. And for what its worth I'm 39.

I can recommend the DanST set up, mine uses gsxr1000 throttle bodies and is brilliant. The manifold is matched beautifully to the bodies and the head. Puts out 185bhp, so can't see the point spending twice as much on omex or jenveys to be honest.

Many thanks Chris / Deanspoors.. They do look very good, glad they get the thumbs up too.. Looks like the works bell is out of stock on likes website anyway.. Thanks again, Greggs..

Can't make all morning but if good weather we will meet you at the castle we aiming for 12noon......... If that's ok

I’m not a great “club” person but I value my WSCC membership and think £27.50 is jolly good value. I have saved that amount many times over what with the various discounts I get and the invaluable advice I have received on a wide variety of subjects. Many of my friends refer to my car as a “toy” car in that it has no really practical application and am grateful that I am in a position to afford it and have fun in it. The price of membership, in the overall scheme of things, is a small price to pay to enhance my enjoyment of the car. Long may it continue!

I've been biting my tongue about posting on this topic, but now I feel i need my say to get my thoughts written down. When i found the club I did so because I was looking for a car, i thought the first membership fee was excessive, I joined with reservations thinking it was a lot of money for a "free" mag and the forum. 1st renewal and after going to Stoneleigh with all the extras the previous year I had no problem renewing (well apart from actually paying) and thought it wasn't too bad a price to pay. This year, with a new car, all the questions and responces I've had (and still am getting) regarding it, plus Stoneleigh this year, well actually I consider it a privilege to contribute to such a club with such great members. I didn't know about the club or forum back in the free days, but i suspect it is similar to the viper pit "Piston Heads" where the IQ and age are often the same. I put it into perspective that when the yearly fee actually equates to 90 miles worth of fuel, well in the grande scheme of things it is peanuts and value for money.

Hi Did you see the Works Bell one that Steve put on Buttercup. Looks very similar and I got mine from Plays Kool. Steve said he had not seen one as good.

I sold my webbers for the same price it cost for bike carbs and the rolling road set up and manifold etc. Have a word with Bogg Brothers in East Lutton. They are wizards with webber and bike carbs. Ask for Steve.

I had the wrong webers on my Zetec and Troy at NMS drilled extra progressive holes and it ran pretty good. Without the holes it will cough on light pick up and sometimes every time you touch the throttle.

Referring to the OP, I had exactly the same experience. Bought my xflow engined Westy with 40s and always had rough idle. Finally, a visit to a Weber specialist identified the carbs as Alfa Romeo 40s, which have much larger progression holes than the 151s that suit the engine. Two rolling road sessions and a brand new pair of carbs certainly hurt the bank account. It can be a minefield!

If you don't want your magazines that's fine its your choice to throw them away - if you only want to use the forum that's fine to and thank you for your £27.50 membership which has been paid and I'm sure the club will use that wisely to offset the cost against a new £1000 server to be purchased to enable the forum to be efficient

Fingers crossed should be with you Saturday Watch this space..but I have said that before..lol! Only got to fit & bleed the front calipers now !

We will be along with Becky and Andy too!

Go on then. Count me in.

IMO WSCC - Amazing Bargain I've had membership of many clubs ever the years. This cheapest and by far best value. Although ultimately it's cost me a fortune.... in upgrades, track, sprinting, trailer hire etc etc etc

TEL's TALE's 064/16 Snetterton 21st and 22nd May 2016 ( B19 event) For me this round trip of 400 miles is worth it as Snetterton is a great track with 2laps and some very tricky and technical corners. Particularly novel for me was the use of my newly purchased Motorhome which would provide fantastic accommodation over the weekend event. I did not find the fact that my total vehicle length was about 13m a problem but my god it does use some fuel and recorded about 24mpg!!! Having said that it would easily travel at the legal limit and was a comfortable drive along the A1, A14 and A11 to the circuit. When we arrived in the paddock my new aquistion had detailed inspection by Jane Loudon, Julie Hodder and Sandra Bunn who all gave it the thumbs up and asked why I didn't do it earlier. There was a decent attendance by the Speed Series guys and gal including a few single seaters and about 1800hrs I walked the track with Steve Everall, Dave Cleaver and Mark Anson. Snetterton is a quick track and wide but even though we discussed apexes and the correct lines most of us would find it difficult to adopt them as the track seems to have a poor grip level so late apexing is nigh on impossible and a visit onto the green stuff is waiting if you get too brave. It was good to see Dave Cleaver and my brother Steve out for the first time this season after engine rebuilds. Dave's Honda is now stroked and bored and pushing out some serious bhp and torque. I do know the figures but I would have to kill you if I told you. I think it was also Simon Broadbridge's first outing this season so he was keen to get stuck in. Saturday P1 as expected saw quite a bit of slipping and sliding as the lack of grip was the talk of the paddock and posted times were quite a bit off the targets. Dave Cleaver was having a few problems with the engine (I think it was the traction control settings ) which he sorted by switching traction off. I dont think it can have been that bad as he was the quickest Westfield. Steve Everall found it strange using a 5 speed syncro box and the new, less sticky, Avon ZZS tyres. In the single seaters, I think Pete Goulding in his FF Ecoboost had all four wheels off whilst Matt Hillam was straight on the pace. It was Mark Anson's first visit to Snetterton and he was taking it easy and nearly got lost twice. P2 saw very little improvement in track grip and maybe some of that was due to Dave Cleaver trying to beat me by dropping oil around the circuit from his oil filter housing. At the end of T1 we managed to fabricate a clever blanking plate from alloy sheet and some quick setting sealant did the trick and stopped the oil leak. Mark Anson came back to the paddock complaining about a big vibration at the back of the car. We got it up in the air and got the engine going and spinning the wheels but could only see a slightly imbalanced left rear wheel and a tight halfshaft. As nothing was loose and all bolts ok it was safe for him to go out again but it did seem strange that we could not find anything major on his OMS 2000M. Nick Algar (not in speed series) had a blown supercharger so set off to the midlands on a five hour round trip to get a replacement only to find that there was too much damage and itcould not just be bolted on and required further work. T1 was before lunch and Mark had a good run but all was not well. Just before the finish his Kwazaki engine let go and punched a big hole through the block and nearly set fire to the car and Mark who was still sat in it! It was a frustrating end to his weekend, which is not what you want having driven 270 miles to get to the event from Blackpool Both Pete Gouding and I offered him a double drive on Sunday, for which he thanked us but he was more concerned about concentrating on getting his own car sorted. We were all finally getting our heads around the track now and times started to tumble.I think Steve Carpenter had a moment as he did not record a time as he tried to stay ahead of Roz Kennett who was double driving. They were also camping in a tent on site as the cost and lack of nearby B&B meant they had no option. In the end Roz said she quite liked it, apart from the noisy bikers who were camping and they may also camp at the Blyton weekend. John Loudon was the first to set a new (class E) record. T2 Dave Cleaver (class F) and I (class G) both set new class records on this run so we banked good points and were ready for the final runs. Derek Hodder and Gary Bunn were having the usual ding dong and its never over until the last run. T3 It was now obvious that to get good times you had to be very brave and trust the car when you threw it into Hamiltons, a tight lefthander at the end of a short straight with not a lot of run off on the exit. The left hander called Palmer's was also technically difficult and getting to the apex or on the inside rumble strip took some doing at high speed. There were a few examples of late braking that did not pay off as people overshot corners or locked up the wheels. In the end John Loudon improved on his record time and quickest Westfield was Dave Cleaver on 90.29secs closely followed by Gary Bunn with 90.53secs and Del on 91.05secs. In the single seater Pete Goulding went well but Matt Hillam in the SBD Dallara was very quick with 83.15secs. Just after we finished the rain started !!! Phew. During the day it was good to see a few spectators from the Westfield club supporting us and they included Denis and Andy Silman of Siltech racing who produce some very nice wishbones etc for Westfields. Sunday Paul Beesley joined us in his class F busa to get a piece of the action. The weather forcast was a bit unpredictable but in the end we had a dry and quite warm day. The warm day brought a few more spectators including our old mate Martyn Van Zeller who now lives fairly close having emigrated from god's own county. P1 Despite the overnight rain the track was dry but still people complained about a lack of grip so it wasn't just my driving style that was causing me to oversteer. Gary and Del immediately suffered from a lack of power which Del quickly diagnosed as a faulty TPS. Off with the old and on with the new and they were back in business in no time at all. Dave Cleaver set off like a bat out of hell to show his intentions again. P2 Nothing much to report here except for Paul Beesley starting to chip away at his times. T1 The big issue to report here is that Gary Bunn produced a blinding run of 89.21 secs (new class H record) which he would not better and nobody else could get near it. As the trcak now got a bit warmer it was clear that there would be some good times and records would be beaten again if we were brave enough and had a heavy enough right foot whilst ignoring the brake pedal and any survival instincts. T2/T3 In T2 Dave Cleaver showed us how not to do it as he ran out of tarmac pushing too hard at Hamiltons bend. Dave Cleaver's, John Loudon's and my last runs were quickest and beat the class records/target times again. Steve Everall, Steve Carpenter, Roz Kennett and Simon Broadbridge all improved on Saturday's times and Paul Beesley saved his best run until last. In summary it was a great weekend for most of us and excellently run by Borough 19 MC. Steve's time would indicate that the ZZS tyres are about 3% slower that ZZR and the car suspension may need changing to allow for the different grip level.pOn my way home my driving skills were put to the test as a pheasant tried to commit suicide by walking out in front of my new motorhome.....there is no way I would allow that to happen as my pristine coachwork would be smashed to bits ….so a reactionary swerve at 60mph on the A1 saw me miss the stupid bird JUST!. Steve was behind and culd not believe I managed to miss it and said if it had been a cat it would have lost one of its nine lives. Terry Everall Class G competitor