chazpowerslide Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 As a former Westfield owner & club member, who has remained an almost daily viewer and at least weekly contributor, I value, not just the information and knowledge available on this site but also the exchange of views and camaraderie that brings me back, repeatedly. I have myself specialist knowledge in my field and freely share it, where appropriate, it's disappointing that I wont be able repay those who've given me useful tips in future. How does preventing people such as myself from interacting with the membership and sponsors benefit either the boardroon or the WSCC? I suggest it will not benefit either, it will, however, remove a small part of the workload from those that manage the site and remove the possibility of workload affecting club officers. In short, it benefits those that run the message board and club rather than the club members, please remember that absolutely everywhere in life, blanket rules benefit those that make blankets Now climbing off the soapbox, I'd like to thank those that rarely get thanked, such as the site author, moderators and especially contributors, for what has been a generally a very pleasant place to spend a few minutes most days. So long, I'll be about until my posting privileges are removed, after that there seems less purpose in returning Unfortunatly you will not the only one to be affected Fat Albert. A point that I made on a previous post in this thread. This benifits no one. FA makes the point that I was trying to make. Sometimes non members bring so much they're worth keeping on. Problem is some just cause havoc and do so much damage and cause so much work for the committee that it spoils it for everyone else, It's impossible to deal with. You either run round putting out the fires or you chuck all non members out. We have had far more issues on here with paid up members than boardroom users. hang on that sounds like a few members I can think of My sentiments exactly. Yes, but they pay for the priviledge of being a pain. Does not make it any more tolerable or any more right though does it? Chaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 I think some thought should be given to allow "on-line only" members for folks in FA's situation. For a fee to be decided, they get full access to the Boardroom but no magazine / calendar and maybe a smaller PM limit, or maybe no access to the members only area which could be reserved for the full fee paying members... perhaps... Just thinking out loud and throwing some ideas out there... Trolls would not want to pay so it could have the desired effect and I struggle to believe that anyone with a toy car couldn't afford the dosh if they felt strongly enough about being a part of our community... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windy Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 EFA lets just charge to read your build thread -- that should up takings Oh I hadn't thought about that. 300,000 views - most probably from the non-member community. £1 a view? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markcoopers Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 No one going to answer my questions? My issue is that members can now no longer do a bulk buy without this being part of the process. Essentially a vetting and £120 hurdle, to some this will look like protection of existing sponsors and does raise some difficult questions about conflicts of interests. I suspect that many bulk buys will not want to entre into this £120 trader status thus some opportunities will be lost. There is no legal issue here before it get mentioned, and yes i have spent a few hours seeking legal advice on this.....just in case. Secondly the silly point about not alowing members to advertise cars or equipment on behalf of the none members in the parts or cars sections....why on earth not? This was on the agenda to debate at the committee meeting, what was the less than visionary view that swayed common sense? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Everall Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 The BB issue IMHO is in 2 parts Companies wishing to sell on our site - £120 to do it Deals promoted by individuals for the benefit of members - no charge and a clear statement that the deal is at their own risk and not connected to the WSCC As far as members /non memebers we need more members and a way of attracting them to our club. At our Area meetings we have maybe 50% who attend who are not members of WSCC and /or do not own a Westfield but are very welcome and help maintain the viability of the club. We should encourage their participation as it aids the WSCC visibility/profile etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Verona Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Mark, the proposal has changed. You can now seek endorsement for a member generated BB without the £120. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 With the proviso that these be exceptional bulk buys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markcoopers Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Norm, it is still extra effort for when none is needed, and no garentee that it will be excepted. A shuffle forwards on the original plan granted, now just complete that step and remove the silly barrier and we can all move on safe in the knowledge that common scence has prevailed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Actually, I think common ssense has prevailed given the current requirement to do something because doing nothing simply isn't an option and hasn't been for quite a while from what I understand. If I can avoid the aggro of dealing with bulk buyers who often make life sooooo difficult for something so simple, and at the same time be assured of protection by removing myself as the principal should product liability be an issue (and I know it's never happened, but then, I never thought of it like that...) then why wouldn't I want to offer temporary free advertising to a supplier than can offer hopefully desirable discounted parts to everyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreigM Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 and at the same time be assured of protection by removing myself as the principal should product liability be an issue I think we need to knock this myth on the head. If goods are bought from a private individual then the statutory rights which would apply when buying from a retailer or manufacturer do not apply. Therefore there is no requirement that the goods be of satisfactory quality or fit for purpose. There is no liability risk for a member who is acting as a private individual when offering a bulk buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark (smokey mow) Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 I think we need to knock this myth on the head. If goods are bought from a private individual then the statutory rights which would apply when buying from a retailer or manufacturer do not apply. Therefore there is no requirement that the goods be of satisfactory quality or fit for purpose. There is no liability risk for a member who is acting as a private individual when offering a bulk buy. Not wishing to fuel this debate any further, but in the eyes of the law and for the purposes of enforcement could the builk buy organiser or the WSCC not be considered as a Distributor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted December 1, 2012 Author Share Posted December 1, 2012 There is no legal issue here before it get mentioned, and yes i have spent a few hours seeking legal advice on this.....just in case. If goods are bought from a private individual then the statutory rights which would apply when buying from a retailer or manufacturer do not apply. Therefore there is no requirement that the goods be of satisfactory quality or fit for purpose. There is no liability risk for a member who is acting as a private individual when offering a bulk buy. And therefore by extension no statutory rights for the people buying....... Our club members. By pushing the relationship direct with companies, there is benefit to removing risk to the club and member organising the bulk buy (perceived or otherwise) as well as to the person purchasing. The debate is all good stuff, and thus far I think the committee have done a good job (I would say that wouldn't I) because we have thrashed through all of the arguments been presented here from both sides. There are other consideration for the committee that havent been discussed above however. Mark - I'm sorry if I'm not engaging enough in the debate, I am working out of the country with the day job currently. However I'm probably being thick, but am not sure what questions you want asking, for which the answers havent already been presented. I think I've done a pretty good job of explaining the reasoning and though process of the committee and importantly how it actually works. Of course we can debate different opinions till were blue in the face, but ultimately things have to get implemented. In the past the committee may not have done all it could to explain reasoning and how it comes to the decisions it does. Our aim is for that not to be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Verona Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 I have some experience in the legal question of a member heading up a BB. That person does indeed become a distributor (or as good as). He also carries the legal responsibility as the retailer. If you buy a new Ford from your local dealer and you consider it not fit for purpose it's the dealer you take to court not Ford. Likewise, if something goes wrong with goods purchased on a BB it's you the organiser of the BB who will be responsible and, possibly end up in court facing substantial damages. I hear you muttering that no other member would do that to you. But wait. It may not be the member, it may be his insurers. It's real. If you don't believe me go seek a legal opinion. It'll only cost about £250. Mine's free, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Verona Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Furthermore, the question of non-members posting and being allowed to join in BBs has no correct answer. If they are barred then we are the poorer (in most cases*). If they are not then why become a member if it's free. * I know both members and non members can cause chaos on the forum but at least members have paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markcoopers Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Chaps, if I organise a bulk buy, the cash would move from the members to the people making or providing the service. All statuary rights are protected as this is see as a normal transaction in the eys of the law. The effort on my part was the coordination and thus rewarded with a lower price in the bulk buy. There is no protection needed. There is no change needed, so doing nothing was entirely suitable in this instance. Now I have to get either the committee to see that the deal is extra special, and on the nice of it getting the committee to see a simple point is hard, but that aside I either have to negotiate a waiver for a £120 fee on an arbitrary judgement basis or convince the propiator that still paying £120 is worth while......both are addition barriers that do not and did not need changing. PLEASE REVERSE THIS DECISION. Second point, Can I place an advert on behalf of a non member for a car or parts in the cars for sale or parts for sale section please. If not why not........why is this not now agreed as a good inclusive step for the club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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