davebo Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Have just got wiring loom for my WF build. And so I really need to decide on the engine I'm fitting. From the outset I've always expected I'd fit a 2L Zetec. But its taken me so long to get this far I'm now wondering if Duratecs are available cheaply yet ? I realise ther are certain disadvantages to the duratec such as modified bellhousing required, and maybe mod to sump too? But I believe it develops much more power, is lighter and generally a better engine. Anybody know the difference in power between 2L Duratec and Zetec ? And cost difference from a breakers? I also figure throttle bodies are the way to go rather than carbs but anybody know if you can use injection that is fitted to engine in the Mondeo ? (I can then upgarde all that later once I'm running) Finally, whatever I choose I guess I'll need a cat if my engine is post 92 ? Many many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 very similar powers with similar specs .but the dura can go a little further and get a few more bhp ............ but the real clincher is that the 2.3 releases 250bhp quite easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 I agree. If a Duratec is in the frame then a 2.3 is the way to go. But either way it won't be cheap. No idea if you could use the standard Mondeo inlet system either... Non CAT SVA means engines must be pre 1995, not 1992. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perksy Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Go Duratec if you can afford it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 I also figure throttle bodies are the way to go rather than carbs but anybody know if you can use injection that is fitted to engine in the Mondeo ? (I can then upgarde all that later once I'm running) Yes you can, some of the 1800's were on std Ford Injection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markcoopers Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 You will probably want a modified sump on the zetec as well for clearence, along with correct rotating water pump and also 1.8L flywheel (I think). Don't know about Duratecs. Tb kit for Zetec for £1300 ish from retro ford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conibear Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 very similar powers with similar specs Standard stock 2L Zetec with TB's is circa 170bhp. Standard stock 2L Duratec with TB's is circa 200bhp. I wouldn't call that similar, but you may know something I don't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kik1.6se Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 I also figure throttle bodies are the way to go rather than carbs but anybody know if you can use injection that is fitted to engine in the Mondeo ? (I can then upgarde all that later once I'm running) Hi Dave, If you look at the bottom of page 23 of the jan 2006 Practical Performance Car mag, there's a bit about a new Duratec inlet manifold made by GTS tuning, which fits inside 7 types cars bonnets. They are claiming a 30bhp increase for the 1.8, 2.0 and 2.3 engines. Costs £150 though. May be worth looking at. Kirk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidersurfer Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 30bhp improvement from just an inlet manifold, it must have one of those little turbo fans in it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 I think the 30bhp extra will cone from the 45's/TB's you'll be bolting on, rather than the manifold... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 very similar powers with similar specs Standard stock 2L Zetec with TB's is circa 170bhp. Standard stock 2L Duratec with TB's is circa 200bhp. I wouldn't call that similar, but you may know something I don't err i beg to differ ............ you can show me a totally bog stock dura giving 200bhp ? for that matter you can show me a totally bog stock zetec giving 170bhp ? on tb's ?....... for a fact you arn't gonna see more than 165 from a stock zetec ,and thats if its a real gem from production ,and that would be rare. stock bottom end dura , pocketed pistons , ported head , cams , dura 210 to 220 carbs or tbs same for a zetec .......... we have had quite a few side by side on the rollers ,they give similar feel and powers within 5 or 6 bhp Ian the 226bhp kit you have for sale ....... from the parts you list its the same as i have in my zetec and i have 223 bhp (dyno figure) and i'm on carbs , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KerryS Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 This may be of no concern to you, but has not been mentioned so far, the Duratec exhaust is on RHS and Zetec on LHS. As to anything else there are far more expert opinions on here than I can give. Kerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigger Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 I think the 30bhp extra will cone from the 45's/TB's you'll be bolting on, rather than the manifold... I think blatters has the same spell checker as me ...will "cone" from the ... I think all Duratecs as post '95 so you WILL have to fit a "cat" Tigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 Dave, don't get sucked into the "must have more power as it's always best" If it's mainly road use you'll not often get to use more than 200bhp. Track work is different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westfieldman Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 from the parts you list its the same as i have in my zetec and i have 223 bhp (dyno figure) and i'm on carbs , Yes Harvy your Zetec is the most powerfull one out there after all it's yours If you are building from new and have to buy all the bits anyway go the Duratec route A bellhousing is a bellhousing same for clutch,flywheels.Tb's, cams, exhausts, etc. If its POWER you are after have a look at the new SBD Westfield with a 300BHP 2ltr Duratec engine in it [engine is/was built in Holland] and Steve did not use the 2.3ltr ask Steve why it's a long story and involves money and false marketing IMHO as well as engineering principels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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