peterg Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 story I read said that they used 2 x R1 engines to give just under 2litres as there is a capacity break at 2litres in the 'Sports Libre' and 'Single Seater' hillclimb and sprint classes ...the Force SR8 uses 2 x Hayabusas but that puts it into the 'Over 2litres' class against 4.4litre Judds etc. although strangely they are listed in the programmes as 2.5litres and not 2.7 which it should be - I guess the details don't matter as long as it's over 2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windy Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 "Power sells engines, torque wins races" still applies here unfortunately. No match for a 2.5 DTM Cosworth V6 & these can be had for a lot less money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonbell Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 Full write up on 3 V8 bike engines in CCC this month. Two of them are 2.0 litre based on R1 units, the other is Hyabusa based so 2.6, it is being developed for Radical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V7 SLR Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Saw it today at Donington and was unimpressed with the quoted 167ftlbs of torque although the unit looked cute. It wouldn't need a wide-bodied "anything" to install it into. It'd fit into any standard sized Se7en. 14K for 300bhp would be about right for most 2 litre engines I guess, although it still looks expensive. I wonder how much a 2 litre Vx would cost to get to 300bhp. It'd most certainly have waaay more torque than that though. They reckoned this little V8 was some 60-something kilos. Quite attractive from that PoV. Now, if they could only improve the torque figure.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timd Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 "Power sells engines, torque wins races" still applies here unfortunately. No match for a 2.5 DTM Cosworth V6 & these can be had for a lot less money Isn't there a "torque per tonne" or "torque and gearing" argument that's been done to death a million times to undermine that statement though?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzer Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Don't forget because it revs so high it can be geared lower giving more effective torque at the wheels. Cheers Bazzer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timd Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Thats the one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 And when a BEC regularly tops the times at *any* track event that puts it in direct competiton with a "2.0l class" CEC, you'll have won that argument........for now though, as far as sprints and hills are concerned at any rate, CEC's rule the roost........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windy Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 And when a BEC regularly tops the times at *any* track event that puts it in direct competiton with a "2.0l class" CEC, you'll have won that argument........for now though, as far as sprints and hills are concerned at any rate, CEC's rule the roost........ Nicely put Blatters!!!! And not forgetting that us CEC's have to run with windscreens, whereas the BEC's don't? Who needs aerodynamics when a nice torquey car engine can push past that aerodynamic brick wall with ease! I saw the Quantum on the Donnington track today & it sounded much like a flat plane crank V8 a la Tuscan. Pretty uninspiring & not very quick. What did catch my eye was Chris Varey's Ultima Spyder. The only "used properly" car on display & now fitted with a 550 bhp / 500 ftlbs V8. 420 bhp was apparently "not quick enough" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott beeland Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Oh no that's opened a BIIIG can of worms.Calling Nick Algar!! Windy..You don't have to run with a screen. Class E F and H escaped you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 Windy wants to run with a screen, to the best of my knowledge. It allows him to compete not just for Speed Series points, but also for prizes "on the day". His car is a "normal" Class 2B sprint car. In many sprints nowadays, the 2B sprint class is where a lot of organisers also stick in the 1100+cc BEC's, but allows them to run sans windscreen, 'cos that's how they come from whichever factory........ This is where the Speed Series differs from most other championships, in that we have classes that BEC's can "legitimately" enter, rather than sticking them all in the 2B class, where they have no chance........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzer Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 And when a BEC regularly tops the times at *any* track event that puts it in direct competiton with a "2.0l class" CEC, you'll have won that argument........for now though, as far as sprints and hills are concerned at any rate, CEC's rule the roost........ And what does this have to do with the torque argument above :-) Lets remember that it was fitted to a Quantum Extreme, hardly the most dynamic of sevenesqe cars. Bazzer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonlewis Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 Seem to remember that all modern Ferrari's use flat plane cranks.... as do most specialist race engines. All those race teams must be wrong, what they obviously need is a 2.0L VX. Always found the 450Bhp race Tuscans quite quick myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 And what does this have to do with the torque argument above :-) I nearly bit.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzer Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 Yes but the CEC's topping the charts are probably running 250BHP-280BHP engines that probably cost at least 10K. I am not aware of anyone running a similarly costly and tuned Busa in a sevenesque chassis, are you ? I think it would give the top CEC's a run for there money. The beauty of BEC's is the performace and finese of handling you get out of the box without spending a massive wedge. The fact that they are even in the same frame as the powerful CEC's is a testament to how good they are out of the box. I have driven a SBD 208 VX powered car recently and it was very similar to my Busa in a straight line. It was a really nice car. But I would miss the sequential shift and that would cost me another 3K on a VX powered car whose engine installation cost around 6K about 2K more than mine. Cheers Bazzer PS Seen the results of the Brighton speed trial, I am led to believe that some BEC's went OK :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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