bootleboy Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Took the car to be MOT'd today. Guess what it failed on 1. No Hazard lights! aparently all cars registered after 1986 must have them (do any 7's ave em?) This ended up as a huge argument with the tester (probably not such a good idea! - though he had already failed it at this point! 2. No side indicator repeaters 3. One wiper blade slightly old and perished looking .....................and thats it! I took it to a place in Loughborough, as they had previously told me that they specialise in kit cars - obviously f*cking not I have to take it back within 48 hrs (was 24hrs, but that was another argument with him). Could they not have just told me to correct the wiper blades? Still dont know whether they'll pass it without repeaters/hazards - he's going to look into it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westfields Rock On Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 if you could get to donny theres a guy in Harlington who does MOTs and is very reasonable with laws and things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Mack Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 it looks like they are required, have a look at this MOT info Worth checking whether you can see the indicator from the side, ref the bit about wrap around indicators near the bottom. Looks like you need a hazard switch anyway. It might be worth trying somewhere else but then the rules are pretty clear....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studbuckle Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 You DO need Hazzards On your car you DONT need side repeaters. Wiper blade.... Jobsworth but valid That's the way I read it anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootleboy Posted July 24, 2003 Author Share Posted July 24, 2003 Is the hazard light rule a new one? The car's never had them, but i have every previous MOT cert's, so its obviously passed without them previously. ......How easy is it to fit hazards?!! They picked up the fact that i dont have reverse lights either!! Dont tell me that im going to have to fit one of those aswell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 I had the same problem When I bought my car it needed an MOT within a couple of days, so I took it to a local tyre place who used to MOT my MR2 Turbo - Jap Imports have a few dodgy mot issues as well.... Side repeaters being one of them. When I took the car in I gave them the old MOT certificate which stated year of manufacture as 1990, they went away and tested it and it failed on loads, including; no door mirrors (it doesn't have doors!, no hazards, emissions, no side repeaters and a split steering rack gaitor. As it failed on emissions and shouldn't have done I decided to argue about the other items. After a lengthy discussion, about 30 minutes, during which they rang their MOT help line they basically said that the car had only failed due to the decleared year of manufacture being 1990. They were happy for me to bring the car in the next day (without the previous MOT certificate! having fixed the steering rack gaitor and pass it with no problems. Bear in mind my car is a Q plate, I argued that the donor car was of unknown age (hence the Q) so could not be tested to an age related requirement. HTH Jason With a Q plate and an MOT but without hazards or side repeaters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootleboy Posted July 24, 2003 Author Share Posted July 24, 2003 Thanks Jason Looks like I'll have to mis-place all my previous MOT cert's then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Purves Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 MOT testers ah! I have heard of this before and have been told that if the car is on a Q and of a certain age then there a lot of things that do not apply, including hazards, warning lights etc. Also there is no need for a reversing light. Make sure the tester read the small print within their manual regards Q plated cars. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootleboy Posted July 24, 2003 Author Share Posted July 24, 2003 Cheers fella's I like this site How to put the whole world to rights in one easy step Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterg Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 there's a mention of not needing side repeaters on cars with cycle wings (ie ones that move with the wheel) in the build up feature on an MK Indy in this months Which Kit? better to take it to some ordinary place rather than a 'kit car specialist' MOT centre as they're more likely to let it go through ignorance of what it does actually need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samcooke Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 I think pre 73 cars don't need hazards - if your car is of indeterminate age it could be pre 73 so I can't see how it can need them. My 66 beetle certainly never had them, which was a bit of a pain in the A*** TBH, cos it broke down all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul S Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 If you're on a 'Q' plate, the MOT Manual - Section 3 states that: "Vehicles having a Q plate registration when presented for MOT are to be treated as follows: For emission purposes only, all these types are to be considered as vehicles first used before 1st August 1975. For all other testing purposes they are to be considered as being first used on 1 st January 1971" My MOT man is very reasonable, and lets me point out the relevant bits of the manual to him. I trust him to test the safety bits properly, and to apply 'spirit of the law' rather than 'letter of the law' to the stupid bits that the b*stard bureaucrats have put in to annoy people Cheers Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 Wholeheartedly agree on the letter of the law point... If I was Bootleboy, I'd be going through the appeal procedure (assuming it's a Q plate car), 'cos the test was improperly conducted, by an examiner who was ignorant of the current rules. The MOT inspectors would take this quite seriously, IMO........ And just so that we're clear, first used on Jan 1st 1971 would mean NO requirement for side repeaters, hazard lights/switch, reverse lights, or fog lights.........I'm pretty sure you only need one mirror too........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8ight Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 if you appeal against a test do you still have to leave the car at the test centre ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 Don't think so. Might be a different matter if the MOT you have has expired though, 'cos there's a grey area about driving it home legally, I think....... Besides, in Bootleboys case, the failure note would state failed on no side repeaters and no hazard switch, which are both material facts which are in contravention of the MOT rules, wether the car is there or not........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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