Ban of petrol and diesel (only) cars from 2030

[Mark (smokey mow)]

4 minutes ago, Kit Car Electronics said:

1800kg for Mercedes EQC

 

https://tools.mercedes-benz.co.uk/current/passenger-cars/e-brochures/eqc.pdf?adobe_mc=MCMID%3D53400446027231452702022784184306517759|MCORGID%3D433D17FE52A6475D0A490D4C%40AdobeOrg|TS%3D1606322160

Nope, that’s an SUV I’m looking for a car.

[Kit Car Electronics]

5 minutes ago, Mark (smokey mow) said:

Nope, that’s an SUV I’m looking for a car.

OK, what about a 1500kg Polestar (Volvo)?

 

https://www.polestar.com/global/press/press-release/polestar-2-offers-class-leading-towing-capacity

 

[Mark (smokey mow)]

9 minutes ago, Kit Car Electronics said:

OK, what about a 1500kg Polestar (Volvo)?

 

https://www.polestar.com/global/press/press-release/polestar-2-offers-class-leading-towing-capacity

 

Better.

 

the trouble is that there’s nothing currently available in the 5-door golf sized hatchback sector.

If you’ve got £100K to spare or want 600bhp then there’s some limited choice for towing but for those of us that want a small everyday car that can tow a small trailer to the tip then options are currently limited.  

 

i’d seriously consider an electric car for my next purchase but I’d need something small and sensibly priced. Alternatively I’m looking at small ev-vans.

[Kit Car Electronics]

 I know what you mean, I find it quite frustrating how slow some of the car companies are to realise what people really need

[nice_guy]

56 minutes ago, Kit Car Electronics said:

 I know what you mean, I find it quite frustrating how slow some of the car companies are to realise what people really need

 

Probably because they've evolved into being very, very good at selling what people really buy.

[cast iron]

On 24/11/2020 at 12:32, CraigHew said:

They make better tow vehicles because of low down torque.  Also mass weight increased because of batteries.

 

Caravans are here to stay.....

check the towing capacities on their data

 

[Blatman]

On 25/11/2020 at 18:10, nice_guy said:

Probably because they've evolved into being very, very good at selling what people really buy.

 

We're buying what they make because there is no viable mass produced alternative...

[cast iron]

I take it all back it’s just the leaf that’s crap

[SootySport]

18 hours ago, cast iron said:

I take it all back it’s just the leaf that’s crap

But it is reliable and long lasting, they have been making them since 2011. A lack of liquid cooling doesn’t help their range. Also the best selling EV in the world so can’t be all bad.

[Steve (sdh2903)]

1 hour ago, SootySport said:

But it is reliable and long lasting, they have been making them since 2011. A lack of liquid cooling doesn’t help their range. Also the best selling EV in the world so can’t be all bad.

 

Corrola is the best selling car in the world. 

 

Don't mean its any good. 

[SootySport]

7 hours ago, Steve (sdh2903) said:

 

Corrola is the best selling car in the world. 

 

Don't mean its any good. 

For 99% of car owners, they don’t care if it’s any good. All that matters is it’s reliable and gets them where they are going and over the last 30years the Corolla has been the most reliable car.

[Man On The Clapham Omnibus]

I knew the limitations of a 24kWh battery when I bought my Good Lady a Leaf but as it will only ever be used for short trips it is far better than any ICE car. An internal combustion engine used for short runs only is doomed to have mayonnaise circulating in the engine and a cold driver in winter. The Leaf is always ready and can be easily made warm and frost free on the mains power before leaving. It accelerates like nobody's business and startles quite a few people how quick and quiet it is. The huge bonus is that it costs a third of the equivalent petrol car to fuel, attracts no VED cost, needs almost no maintenance, and can be charges at Tesco's for nothing! If that's "crap" then long may the Great Anus deliver!

[johnev]

As an owner of an electric BEV Westfield I can tell you that they are just a different incarnation of the mark and not a replacement for the existing ICE versions. ICE cars, particularly classics, will be with us for a very long time. You will just end up buying your petrol on-line and taking delivery from Amazon - it's the petrol station that is doomed in my view.

Also please don't judge future BEVs by what has gone before. Although very well engineered, they were intended for early adopters, like me, who were prepared to put up with the high purchase cost and range issues. Although current prices are high in the West, new BEV models are emerging around the world for less than £20K and ranges are generally in excess of 200 miles. At the current development rate, by 2030 BEVs will have consigned ICE power to a revered place in history alongside steam engines.

[nice_guy]

This.

 

A parallel with the RC world.

Lithium and brushless did not take over the nitro world because it was less messy. Or less pricy. Or less noisy.

It took over the RC world because of sheer oomph. Nearly 15 years ago.

 

We're at the early stages of consumer-ready EV. "Legacy" car manufacturers are still trying to figure out how to transform their process and mindsets.

 

I do believe electric traction is way better, though what's currently available is way beyond what I can involve my wallet or myself into.

 

Early adopters are, for some, kind of a pain (Oh, the joy of a greenwashed yuppie trying to teach me physics or chemistry) (we all have a friend that became an electric monk/missionary), but that's mostly because they are early adopters and enjoy their non reciprocating motoring. They shelled a lot of money, it's understandable. A pain, still.

 

Electric mobility has a lot to offer, network and infrastructure is far from being able to cope with mass adoption, and it will change over time.

 

As Johnev said, by 2025 / 2030, what will be on offer will be way above ICE equivalent. Partly because investment in ICE will wane (and it's the end of the road regarding the complexity involved regarding making it emission compliant and enjoyable, DSG and fake brum brum noise), and partly because tech is there, infrastructure is developping.

 

Honestly, the current cars on offer are mostly automatic, and already very little of the current production crop is something that I would enjoy, let alone invest in. Hopefully we'll see a new kind of car, like "low drag coefficient SUV", and maybe we'll have something looking like an estate of old, trading "look at me" 20 inch rims and inefficient height for something sleek that meets pedestrian impact regulations without being tall and bulky.

 

(and don't get me started on range anxiety, the best selling smartphone is very expensive and doesn't last a day. But you can charge it almost anywhere...)

 

 

[Blatman]

2 hours ago, nice_guy said:

and don't get me started on range anxiety, the best selling smartphone is very expensive and doesn't last a day. But you can charge it almost anywhere

 

The bit missing here is that a modern smartphone can garner enough charge to last "the rest of the journey" if you will, quite quickly. EV's not so much.

 

Taking a 200 mile range EV to my most visited place of work in Holland, (just across the border from Belgium in actual fact) could/would take more than double the 8 hours it takes now. Even in 10 years time, that's not a viable business travel time.