Ban of petrol and diesel (only) cars from 2030

[Alan France]

9 hours ago, SootySport said:

On that point no need to worry, electric consumption has been going down since 2008, led bulbs, more efficient white goods and the demise of heavy industry have helped.  

Sure?

 

National Grid report from Nov 4th.

 

“National Grid last night sent out an urgent call for more power stations to fire up to keep Britain’s lights on today after plant outages and low wind farm output increased the risk of blackouts.

The electricity system operator issued an “margin notice”, its most serious security of supply alert in four years, warning of a supply crunch between 4:30pm and 6:30pm today.

It forecast a shortfall of 740 megawatts, or 1.5 per cent, compared with the power plant capacity it wants to have available to meet demand and to provide back-up in case plants break down.

Sources said the operator was in talks for coal-fired power stations to fire up to provide back-up. EDF confirmed it had been asked to warm up its West Burton A plant in Nottinghamshire.”

 

 

 

 

[RICHARD+PHILIP]

One interesting part which was tacked onto the bottom of the BBC report on this was

All new Homes from 2023 will need to be 100% electric No Gas. 

that will eat into the national grids electron supply

[Ian Rabbetts]

Does anyone know if there are sufficient raw materials to make enough batteries for global supply, assuming other countries follow suit and require all new vehicle sales to be electric or hybrid.

[dombanks]

My issue with this is the cost. 32k for a corsa 45+ for a ford thing. Tesla’s 40k+ dunno about a leaf but I’m guessing well over 25k. Until we see a considerable drop in prices how are many in our society supposed to afford such items. 
 

let’s not get onto how Tesla treat 2nd owners stripping them of any paid for upgrade or the fact that the off-griders are pushing 2nd hand leaf battery costs thought the roof. 
 

I applaud the theory but let’s face it people like me should be seriously considering these sorts of car. The z is wearing out and is wayyy old. So why wouldn’t I replace it with a nice ev? Cos I’d rather put 32k if I had it into a m2 than a corsa.

 

 

[Kit Car Electronics]

The real point here is that by the time 2030 arrives, non-hybrid cars will have been eradicated by the EU7 emission regulations already, so it won't be such a leap.

[XTR2Turbo]

I find it frustrating there is not a class of petrol car created that is exempt.  Eg less than a certain size / minimum mpg.  A bit like they have in Japan.  

[Steve (sdh2903)]

Am sure I read somewhere that eu7 may bring about bigger displacement engines again as theres a reg concerning power per litre? Especially for performance cars, going from a 6 cyl to an 8 to maintain the power figures. 

 

I guess that will be to try and force them hybrid. 

[Kit Car Electronics]

EU7 is another ratchet on the tailpipe emissions and on-board diagnostics to a level never seen before. There is still an amount of manufacturer consultation happening, because the proposed levels are a step beyond where most expected them to be.

[Man On The Clapham Omnibus]

As a small aside, I wonder whether the ScotNats have considered the effect this might have on oil values. That's assuming they secure any of the revenue from offshore oil the value of which has already been depressed by shale oil, and the plague causing a dramatic drop in demand. The economic case for independence is heavily weighted by claiming ownership of the oil.

[Barnsley John]

Although  new to westfeilds in a scence to other long term owners  i have owned one for 10 years now on and off

It feels like it was only yesterday when i got my first Westfield so this ten years away  may seem a long way off but its not

And will be in top of us before we know it

Watch this space to see what happens

 

 

[corsechris]

Time for an EV Westfield option from the factory then.

 

Watched the Johnny Smith thing the other day where he looked at the EV MGB. Not particularly powerful (90bhp) and not particularly great range (160 miles), but the new car, including a very much improved suspension setup was apparently about 45kg more than the original. Stupid expensive mind, but then so are the 'new' MGBs based on MX-5 mechanicals. It was actually a tad cheaper than those apparently.

 

So, allowing for an improvement in battery tech once we get solid state cells, and there are already plenty of more powerful motors out there, then a decent power/weight/range EV Westy seems plausible.

 

Lack of engine noise (other than an annoying whine)...sorry, got nothing to fix that other than what some manufacturers already do, even in ICE cars - play a sound out of a speaker. The EV equivalent of putting playing cards on your cycle forks so they get hit by the spokes I think.

[SootySport]

On 19/11/2020 at 13:05, Ian Rabbetts said:

Does anyone know if there are sufficient raw materials to make enough batteries for global supply, assuming other countries follow suit and require all new vehicle sales to be electric or hybrid.

Estimates for lithium reserves is 3.9 billion ton and that’s without extracting from seawater.   Most is laying in the pacific seabed and waiting to be harvested.   Exploration companies are already trialling methods to bring it to the surface and no children harmed if that’s your worried about.

ps.   Have a read https://deep.green/

[SootySport]

12 hours ago, corsechris said:

Time for an EV Westfield option from the factory then.

 

Watched the Johnny Smith thing the other day where he looked at the EV MGB. Not particularly powerful (90bhp) and not particularly great range (160 miles), but the new car, including a very much improved suspension setup was apparently about 45kg more than the original. Stupid expensive mind, but then so are the 'new' MGBs based on MX-5 mechanicals. It was actually a tad cheaper than those apparently.

 

So, allowing for an improvement in battery tech once we get solid state cells, and there are already plenty of more powerful motors out there, then a decent power/weight/range EV Westy seems plausible.

 

Lack of engine noise (other than an annoying whine)...sorry, got nothing to fix that other than what some manufacturers already do, even in ICE cars - play a sound out of a speaker. The EV equivalent of putting playing cards on your cycle forks so they get hit by the spokes I think.

Lolly sticks is what I used😀

[SootySport]

On 19/11/2020 at 10:28, Alan France said:

Sure?

 

National Grid report from Nov 4th.

 

“National Grid last night sent out an urgent call for more power stations to fire up to keep Britain’s lights on today after plant outages and low wind farm output increased the risk of blackouts.

The electricity system operator issued an “margin notice”, its most serious security of supply alert in four years, warning of a supply crunch between 4:30pm and 6:30pm today.

It forecast a shortfall of 740 megawatts, or 1.5 per cent, compared with the power plant capacity it wants to have available to meet demand and to provide back-up in case plants break down.

Sources said the operator was in talks for coal-fired power stations to fire up to provide back-up. EDF confirmed it had been asked to warm up its West Burton A plant in Nottinghamshire.”

 

 

 

 

Well yes,   Just shows we haven’t needed coal fired stations for a while and they plan to close them in 2025 anyway.   
EV charging will not be carried out the same time of the day or night, it will be spread out over 24hrs.  The driving force behind charging is new billing tariffs, the costs change every 30mins. and varies depending where you live in the UK.  If you look at Octopus Agile tariff, you can be paid to use electricity when prices go negative. 
The idea from the the power generation companies is iron out the peaks and troughs of energy production so they don’t have a massive overproduction capability, power stations of any sort cost an awful amount of money to be kept idle—-just in case.

[jeff oakley]

We also have to remember that it will take many years for existing ICE cars to stop being used in volumes as it is not being made illegal to use them, just for anyone to sell them in the UK.

 

I have not read anything that says you cannot import those bought abroad for private use for example.

 

Things will change of that there is no doubt but a lot of us on here will not see these changes have great affect so I will relax and use the ICE vehicles I have