Arm Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 No debate ? We locked down too much, not enough, too late , too early, shouldnt have locked down at all, its a conspiracy, China have erradicated the disease. I'm dissappinted 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Whitworth Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Whatever happens, whether you believe it or not? The success of this lockdown will depend on people. And pound to a penny there will be thousands next weekend protesting in London and not observing social distancing!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve (sdh2903) Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 I don't think there's any right or wrong answers anymore. No matter what the situation there'll always be morons breaking whatever rules are in place. These are the morons that are causing the restrictions and no doubt the same morons who will be complaining the most. I feel sorry for those in areas that are not seeing infections rise and having to lockdown. I feel the Scottish government appear to have made the right choices in harder local lockdowns earlier. The numbers appear to be heading in the right direction now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsechris Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 I’d go a bit further, the answers are all wrong. Simply, there is no good answer to the situation. The cycle of lockdown, R drops, lockdown eased, the hard of thinking gather, R increases, lockdown, repeat, is going to continue until an effective vaccine is available and distributed. If we don’t get a vaccine, it won’t end, as too many people are just too stupid and selfish. I’ve got a few solutions for it, but none would pass muster anywhere but my own little dictatorship of the mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAFKARM Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 21 minutes ago, corsechris said: I’d go a bit further, the answers are all wrong. Simply, there is no good answer to the situation. The cycle of lockdown, R drops, lockdown eased, the hard of thinking gather, R increases, lockdown, repeat, is going to continue until an effective vaccine is available and distributed. If we don’t get a vaccine, it won’t end, as too many people are just too stupid and selfish. I’ve got a few solutions for it, but none would pass muster anywhere but my own little dictatorship of the mind. ...and then you’ve got the people who won’t take the vaccine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Whitworth Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 43 minutes ago, Rush Motorsport said: ...and then you’ve got the people who won’t take the vaccine... A degree of natural selection should deal with them. Or some of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tolf Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Simples: Darwin theory of Natural Selection Dont fight it, accept it. It’s nature fighting back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenstreak-Andy D Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 4 hours ago, Michael Whitworth said: The success of this lockdown will depend on people. Nail on head! Most people I discuss this with say how confusing the rules are. So the Tier system needs to be clearly linked to daily infection rate and applied nationally. So keeping to below a number would define the lockdown tier applied. Eg Tier 1 is below say 3000 daily infection. I know this seems unfair to local towns of lower infection rates, but, put simply, anything over R=1 is a slow or quick walk to tier 3, full lockdown etc. Folk will move from one zone to another, national tier is the only option. I genuinely feel for those in hospitality. Incredibly stressful times for so many. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff oakley Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 The problem with this virus natural selection is not happening. Where I live at the weekend there was a rave in a warehouse with 700 people in attendance. They were better organised than the police were, they cut the electric to the building, they had their own generators, the police did not have enough people to go in and crack heads or the will to do so. These people will spread the virus but less likely to die from it or get seriously ill, natural selection would see them die but they won't. It will be their grans and parents but they won't care as getting drunk and high is more important. I have listened to the news this morning where they are all saying places like Thailand and others in the far East have successfully controlled the virus and why haven't we. The answer is simple, they would have sent troops in to deal with this rave, the organisers would be in jail for a long time and those attending punished harshly. Personally I think we needed to be more selective and lock down areas that need it. Just read the social media threads and so many are annoyed that they are being affected badly by a lockdown when there area has lower infection rates than in March. If this is just for 4 weeks then it will be okay, if it goes on into the New Year the damage will be massive in the mental health of people and the economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsechris Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 10 hours ago, Rush Motorsport said: ...and then you’ve got the people who won’t take the vaccine... Which is their choice and they are more than welcome to the consequences, my assumption being that those who are more at risk will have already had the vaccine and won’t be as vulnerable to the actions of the stupid and the selfish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsechris Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 The problem with Natural Selection is that it is entirely amoral. Those fittest to survive this are generally the younger two thirds of society. There is no element to this virus that ‘tests’ intelligence, selflessness, willingness to abide by the social contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingster Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Darwinism has never been fair to those singled out for extinction. But if we did just “get on with it” and let “it” decide the outcome, how do we deal with all the sick and dying? “oh it’s COVID? Best go home and see how you get on mate, hospital is strictly for non-COVID illnesses. Here’s your body bag just in case” edit to add “...what’s that sir, you have private health care, why didn’t you say, your ventilator is waiting” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsechris Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 @Chris King - Webmaster That ‘solution’ has been proposed by more than one luminary in the world. I’m a pretty heartless b******d but even I wouldn’t advocate it as a path to take (and I don’t for a moment think you are advocating it either!). There are plenty of folk who would be quite happy with the notion that if you can afford the private healthcare you’ve ‘won’ and are therefore more entitled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyonspride Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, corsechris said: @Chris King - Webmaster That ‘solution’ has been proposed by more than one luminary in the world. I’m a pretty heartless b******d but even I wouldn’t advocate it as a path to take (and I don’t for a moment think you are advocating it either!). There are plenty of folk who would be quite happy with the notion that if you can afford the private healthcare you’ve ‘won’ and are therefore more entitled. The problem there is that in the west, the harder you work, the less you get paid and the lower your chance of affording private healthcare, whilst those who ride on the backs of the hard working folk, get paid 2 or 3 times more. It's Darwinism twisted around backwards. If the strongest/fittest don't survive, then no matter how much money you have, you'll eventually fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_l Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 11 hours ago, Greenstreak-Andy D said: Most people I discuss this with say how confusing the rules are. If people are confused by the Covid rules I wonder how they get around in a car without causing havoc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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