Why 1C tyres should be categorised road legal by MSA

[maurici]

So... cross reading the whole topic, trying to deciede witch tyres buy, and witch class join...

 

I've understood that the Avon Zzr with the marking of OE fitment will be Roadlegal considered at least for 2016 Season?

 

It means that if I manage to find a Caterham Zzr wheels (that are also my correct size) will be fine for 2016?

 

Sorry to repeat it again and again... but is my very first year, and I dont want to make any mistake about it... and if the regulations are not 100% clear for you... imagine for me... newbee, and lost in translation...

[Terry Everall]

No you cant use ZZR tyres in road going unless you have a Caterham with OE fitment  tyres. If you have a Caterham then probably Ok but best to check with whichever club you are competing with as well as the specific supplementary regulations for each event. At the moment no Westfield can use list 1C tyres (ZZR and Kuhmo) which have supersoft compound but in our speed series they can use them but would need to run in Modifird Production class at most events which needs a Hans device etc 

[maurici]

Understood. Finaly I clearly see what oe fitments mean. So... lets try to make a choice... thanks terry.

[Meteor Motorsport]

Terry. Sorry that's not correct. Any car can use any of the tyres in the lists. The OE fitment means that it must only be the specification as used by Caterham for the new road cars = the OE numbers quoted.

This applies to all the other OE fitment makes and models.

It was corrected after we complained before Xmas.

[Terry Everall]

In the Speed series we have been debating not allowing any Avon ZZR or Kuhmo as its almost impossible to tell what compound the tyres are and will be very difficult to police as the pattern is the same for all compounds. Thank god I am on Slicks

[Meteor Motorsport]

It's actually very easy.

For Avon those specific numbers are printed/moulded on the side wall.

No Kumho will be relevant as its just the 17" I think.

However for Kumho compounds again it is simple.

K numbers on the sidewall are K11, K21, K61 and K91. super soft,soft, medium and Hard. But they are all excluded anyway.

Let's see what this week brings from the MSA.

L7C excluded ACB10 many years ago for the benefit of the championship so your idea of excluding certain tyres does have merit.

[maurici]

So, will assume that kumos and zzr will be banned from the speed series. (If it is like this... would be good to have some oficial confirmation asap, because for me is being a nightmare).

And what about the tyres that are not completely defined in the list?

Toyo R888 is available now at least in 2 copounds as the r888r. GG and Sg. Will be both compounds allowed?

This is a completely mess. With the old regulation, was easyer. Competitive tyre in dry zzr. All arrounders or wet... toyos t1r, or (put here your desired tyre for wet).

Right now... to be competitive, there is not any reference about witch tyres to use... and of course, even the best drivers with toyos sg will have BIG problems to be competitive against any amateur with ZZR.(assuming that some zzr will be allowed). I dont know witch tyres are to be used as the "top" and for limiteds budgets first choice could mean first mistake and compete in unleveled performance in any class the whole season...

[windy]

Black, round and road legal would be a much better, simpler rule for the speed series. So much easier for the novices to understand.

 

We could lead the way here, especially as it appears the organising clubs are putting us all into our own WSCC class at the venues anyway, i.e. we wouldn't have to comply with the MSA tyre rules in any case.

 

It's a farce. Looking at the 2016 1B there is actually a super sticky tyre in there anyway, much better than an Avon or Kumho - but I'm not telling so nerrrrr!!!!!!

[phelpsa]

It might be sticky but its also extremely heavy, terrible in the wet and not available in any particularly useful sizes.

[John Loudon - Sponsorship Liaison]

It might be sticky but its also extremely heavy, terrible in the wet and not available in any particularly useful sizes.

 

The one I was thinking of isn't . Its just extremely expensive - more than slicks

[Terry Everall]

I think a few people will buy the ZZS as it cuts out all the debate and confusion about ZZR compounds, OE sizes etc

Only about 5 weeks until first event so cant wait forever!

[XTR2Turbo]

In the Speed series we have been debating not allowing any Avon ZZR or Kuhmo as its almost impossible to tell what compound the tyres are and will be very difficult to police as the pattern is the same for all compounds. Thank god I am on Slicks

Terry   to be clear I assume you are referring the road going not E and F?

[maurici]

The one I was thinking of isn't . Its just extremely expensive - more than slicks

And... witch is this miraculous tyre?

Available in 13" I'm unable to find any softer (or sticky) compound than Zzr...

Unless we speack about the corsa classic in w3 compound... that... of course is not suitable in reasonable sizes in 13" anyway...

[Nick Algar - Competition Secretary]

Guys,

Just to let you know that in the background there is an appeal on behalf of the Specialist Car Championships into the MSA, whether this will change anything I do not know but it's there. As soon as I have any news I will of course let people know.

 

Currently you can run 1B tyres ie Toyo 888 in classes A1,B1,B2 & B3 and then 1C tyres in classes C,D,E & F, so there are places to run with whichever sets of tyres you have.

[phelpsa]

The one I was thinking of isn't . Its just extremely expensive - more than slicks

Turns out there might be a few, but all have their downsides.