Lawrie Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 PMSL I know they try their best, and I know a few scrutineers, but they can't cover everything, that's your responsibility. I asked one the other week, and this hasn't hit the training courses etc yet etc I'd quite like to keep it this way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTR2Turbo Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Presumably these regs will have a bigger impact on drivers of 'normal' road cars. If I were competing in an Elise, Impreza etc would I now need to fit an MSA roll bar? If so this will drive a lot of cars away from the hills. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Algar - Competition Secretary Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Presumably these regs will have a bigger impact on drivers of 'normal' road cars. If I were competing in an Elise, Impreza etc would I now need to fit an MSA roll bar? If so this will drive a lot of cars away from the hills. David No, because they are Not Road Going Specialist cars, so it's only the kits that should be effected. As with all rules there is bound to be something that unfortunately gets caught out, but can't think of it at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Everall Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Nick I think we could all do with an idiot's guide about roll over bars, cages etc including rose joined or bolted cage structures etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.RAD Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 +1 - that would be helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Series Production Cars means 1,000 made a year and Roadgoing Specialist Cars means 20 made a year, (S11.1.1/2) (so Imprezas & MX5s are exempt. I'm not sure why.) However, this doesn't specify how far options can go, and is probably meant to cover generally similar cars, but not a Fiesta Rally car with different engine/box/4wd etc. If somebody can come up with an idiots guide we could sell it. The regs aren't that awkward, but the devil's in the detail, like rose joints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Algar - Competition Secretary Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Nick I think we could all do with an idiot's guide about roll over bars, cages etc including rose joined or bolted cage structures etc Ultimately it has the be the MSA book details, but I guess there are some key details appicable to Westfield's that could be highlighted. I'll have a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTR2Turbo Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 No, because they are Not Road Going Specialist cars, so it's only the kits that should be effected. As with all rules there is bound to be something that unfortunately gets caught out, but can't think of it at the moment. Thanks But if I put a 4 point harness in to an Elise is it then classified as modified? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Algar - Competition Secretary Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Thanks But if I put a 4 point harness in to an Elise is it then classified as modified? No, you have to go to a really stripped out car with no lights, etc just the same as our Mod Prod car's like Del's or Matt's. Other than that you stay in Roadgoing. That's a very simple explanation and you need to read the specific regs, but my drift is that you have to do quiet a lot to it to get it to change into the Mod Prod category. Don't forget the Elise has a roll-hoop built in which I think can actually be argued to meet the requirements up to a certain level. Your best to ask the Lotus on Track guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham frankland Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I spoke with Caged today who advised that cages with a homologation number are acceptable. However we are supposed to have a homologation certificate to back this up. These certificates are available either from the cage manufacturer at the time of purchase or from the MSA. I have ordered mine at a cost of £20-00 from the MSA to hopefully head off any questions from "scruts" next year! I hope this helps BR Gluten Free aka Grahams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Everall Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Graham The caged cages have a silver sticker on them so I wondered why we needed a Homologation certificate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Aspden Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Graham The caged cages have a silver sticker on them so I wondered why we needed a Homologation certificate? Its will be for the likes of me who bought the cage second hand and didn't get any certification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Everall Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 No sticker on cage?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 They get lost sometimes when cages get re-powder coated to tidy them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onliest Smeg David Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 They get lost sometimes when cages get re-powder coated to tidy them up. I wonder how easy it'll be to prove a roll bar or cage meets msa requirements. I can see next season becoming a right farce, depending on how finicky scrutineers are going to be on evidence of homologation/certification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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