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Mini road trip today, set out at 7.30am pitch black and 2 degrees , two and a half hours later and I arrived on the Wirral - I go on the A roads as I don't like motorways personally with a low, small car. Duties were performed , then the trip back same temp sadly and the roads were even busier, return journey taking 3 hrs with a 10 minute comfort break . pics are not so good, still getting used to this phone, but the car in Barnston, Wirral. I was tempted to stop en-route but to be honest my hands were so cold I could not work the phone 😄 Still thawing out to be honest and I have been back an hour , lol...

Fantastic result for the charity and from 41 people who attended

Hello everyone joined the club today, recently purchased a really nice car from a member advertised locally here in South Somerset. Hope to frequent the Dorset meets in the near future if I can brave the winter temps. Taxing it January, itching to go for run.

Having reconsidered, I can see how its not as simple as I made out above. Thank you. However, if 64% are overweight and this group contributes 80% of deaths, there must be some significance in this. I am intrigued to learn - please could you explain, Jim? What is your take on this aspect of the data, in terms of BMI and its relation to the apparent increase in Covid-related health issues? I feel some negativity again emerging towards those who are currently sitting on a certain side of the fence in this discussion. My stance on this is something I reconsider frequently, and I am very willing to be called out if someone thinks the following logic is flawed. I would also be appreciate of other information that would help with making a more informed decision. Factors related to the safety of others: - The jabs don't stop a person from contracting the virus. - The jabs don't prevent transmission (except for some evidence to suggest this is reduced immediately following a jab). - The jabs reduce symptoms, meaning an infected person has an increased chance of continuing to live a normal life without knowing they are carrying and spreading the virus (I appreciate this also means that if 100% are vaccinated, it should reduce severity of symptoms for all). Personal factors: - As an unjabbed under 40 with no known underlying health conditions, my average chance of a health complication (and thus 'burdening' healthcare) is 16.6 in 100,000 (0.017%) and my average chance of death is 1.1 in 100,000 (0.0011%) (UK HSA Covid report week 49). - With a BMI of 23 this further reduces chances of a health issue by a significant margin compared with the average. I thought I had the maths done correctly on this, but hopefully Jim will offer some guidance. - Chance of death within the next year at my age, all factors considered, is 0.12%. Therefore Covid is a very small part - less than one hundredth - of that risk. - There is evidence to show that the Covid jabs may instigate an unrelated but potentially serious health issue. The data shows that risk is small, perhaps too small to be counted in a numerical sense even with the fractions we are talking about, but still real. Current conclusion: I'll stick to vegetables, exercise (personal risk) and avoiding busy public places (risk to others) as my Covid protection. I have mentioned this on another forum - and I am mentioning it again here because there may be others who feel the same - but being in the minority in this case is not a comfortable or fun place to be. Life would be much easier if I'd have had all the jabs! On top of the social aspect, I now have freedoms removed (without additional hassle) because I have been unable to convince myself that taking up these jabs is the right thing to do, and this is going to get worse I am sure. Some of the comments insinuate that people in my position are stupid, or out to try and cause trouble etc, but in reality (I hope at least) most of us are digging for the truth, with the aim of trying to convince ourselves that the jabs are safe and effective in order to make our lives easier.

I am not following the masses, nor the media, nor the government, this 'sheep' idea is a dumb idea. I am following the advice coming out of universities, 25,000 of them worldwide (they are not arguing amongst themselves!) and the advice coming from all but a handful of the ten or fifteen million doctors in the world. The very same people whose guidance took the life expectancy of a working lad in Liverpool from 15 years to 80 years. I have chosen the brightest, best educated and best informed people on the planet as my sources. Your sources?

No fog in Snowdon. Fantastic 100mile run out today and only got caught out in the fog bank when I dropped down into Conwy for my last 5 miles and no it wasn’t me who hit Santa.

And you will then be classed as unvaccinated 🤦‍♂️ They told everyone two doses and you are fully vaccinated 🤦‍♂️🤣 Didn't take long to go back on that😏🙄

Isn't the issue here that fundamentally those who are hesitant say that the risk data is definitely NOT to be believed? The data can't be both right and wrong... How many humans REALLY understand medicine? Vaccines are well understood with nearly two centuries of study and research. You think only Pfizer sponsored scientists have peer reviewed the Pfizer findings? Biggest piece of flawed thinking I think I have seen so far. If another pharma could find a flaw in ANY rival product they would say so. There is no sentiment in business, and where that business is health its actually good for us that these things are worked over in that way. Peer review by definition means an independent, non partisan review. This is why the reviews happen in public in medical journals. The fact that ordinary peoiple don't read or understand the process doesn't mean it isnt happening correctly: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/281528 Please, for the love of god, use proper search engines for research. scholar.google.com is the starting place to find good proper open research papers from actual scientists and professionals where you can find also find independently peer-reviewed studies. Or The Lancet if the scholar.google.com is a bit weighty... which it really can be. But it's still a fantastic resource for real proper research and information. The Lancet is also an excellent source for help and understanding.

Some interesting stats blatman. However you're arguing for getting the vaccine as it's safer than....... could also be used to argue the points to not take the vaccine too? As you say Its all a risk assessment. This could be also flipped to say why are people so scared of covid yet quite happy to use the roads? As for someone my age getting covid is about as dangerous as a 250 mile drive. Again a huge function of age. Also the 1% mortality rate is also too general. As it varies so much as a function of age/health. Which is why I feel very uneasy with vaccinating healthy children. There's also one big detail you're missing. That figure relies on you actually catching covid. So needs to be a function of risk of infection x risk of serious illness/death. The numbers start to look a little different then. The risks involved with taking the vaccine don't have that additional variable. I had splinters in my A*** from sitting on the fence about this but eventually did come down on the side of getting the vaccine. But after a slightly worrying reaction to the second, that I stupidly just shrugged off and 'got on with it' rather than getting checked out, I dont think I'll be getting another booster.

I’ve been getting flu jabs for about 5 or 6 years now IIRC, initially paid for myself as I didn’t qualify for a free one and yes, I’d be quite happy to get Covid boosters as and when they are offered, I don’t really see much difference between the two things tbh. There is a well tested and safe (relatively) way for me to minimise the risks of suffering from various viruses so my view is why not take advantage.

Me too, I think its important to look at it from both sides. Re. SA - agreed, but I think it is fair to comment it is good news, encouraging, etc though.

Conspiracy theories...... Lots of people have had the vaccine so they can go on holiday.(vaccine passport) I'll give you a fact. Antivaxer is a label given to normal people because they haven't followed the masses, for whatever perfectly good reason they have chosen not to.

What a fantastic day! can you tell by the fun comments made above by our witty companions. Not just the people but the cars too, oh the cars have been so wonderful to look at, we always love it when Billy swaps to the Porsche in the winter so this was just brill. Obviously I love a line of Westfield's but if they don't come out in the cold (not you ABC😀) then this is a cracking substitute. The driving has been challenging too and I love a challenge. We set off with ABC in minus a half a degree fog to arrive in Matlock with it's blue sky and sunshine. It was like that all the way to Edale, very unpredictable, the last bit of road was running with water, in the shade, surrounded by frost covered grass and very steep downhill. I presume that if there are grit bins at the side of the road it means the road does not get gritted so much? well I wasn't taking that risk and slowed it down just in case we met any black ice. In the sunshiney bits the air was really clear and the wintry long shadows made for spectacular views over The Great Ridge, Nigel's photo gives you a good idea of what I mean. We arrived at The Rambler with that WOW factor, my rear view mirror, oooh, a cocktail of Westfield, Porsche and Aston Martin combined with the views forward, oooh. We met at McD's in Matlock and caught up on everyone's news as we went on a grand tour of the cars. We have 2 x V8's, a straight six 3 litre and a flat six 3.2 litre, all led by my very puny 1.8 Zetec, talk about feeling inferior, I was dreading the start up as everyone else sounded so grunty. I had to laugh at this one, Bonnet's Up in Porsche terms is a comparison of how much storage space you have, quite a lot actually! Under the bonnet of the AM, 4.3 V8 Inside the AM Oops, I need a closer look. My, it was very low to the floor, that's rich coming from a Westfield driver. Nothing to see in the engine bay of a Porsche only 2 fans so here is the interior of the 911 Targa 4S Oops, I needed a closer look at that one too I just had to try the back seat out, I was glad my husband was next to me when I said that, not that there was any room to get up to anything in there! I could barely breathe. Rear window, not often do you find a rear window worth photographing So that was us with our new meeting place tried, tested and deemed successful. We arrived at a frosty but sunny Rambler Inn We all had a great lunch before heading off home. I was glad ABC follows me all the way to the petrol station 1 mile from my home, just in case I ran out of fuel. We are changing the last few fuel pipes next week and I needed to run my tank down, don't you just hate doing that, we made it home thankfully and with enough time to wash any salt residue off the underneath of the car. It is always great to see our regulars ABC and Billy, it is an extra treat when Nigel brings his witty sarcasm that makes me laugh so much and it is so sweet to see AndyR who we know can only come infrequently, more so when he moves to Arran, so we have savoured every moment today. Have a lovely Christmas guys, stay safe and thanks for coming, Glen and Julie xxx

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After 10 years with the 1998 Yellow bathtub I’ve gone and bought another yellow bathtub of 2007 vintage and just 3900 miles. Has all the mechanical upgrades I was planning to do on the 1998 Westfield, which would save me a years work and a whole wad of cash. Anyone familiar with this car?as I want know what spec the Type 9 is, previous owner not mechanically minded.

Turn my back for day and there is war and peace to read on here, but didn’t want to ignore this question. Adam, you are right of course, just because it isn’t 80% doesn’t mean a healthy lifestyle isn’t significant in terms of limiting individual risk, and if you add in that many of the other comorbidities can be exacerbated or triggered by being overweight, yes, very significant, in assessing individual risk of death. Your point is that your healthy lifestyle, the consequent low risk of dying from Covid, put alongside the figures for vaccine adverse events, support your decision that the benefits to you seem marginal. As far as I can see though, that you have made that case purely in ‘live or die’ terms, if you factored in the extent to which a vaccine might lower the severity and prevent you getting long Covid, that might move the risk/benefit slider a little. Having seen the research and reason on here, which is excellent on both sides, it seems that we don’t really have all of the data to model this. We are missing a clear analysis of what “deaths reported as possibly linked to a vaccine” actually means, overall and in age groups, and we are missing a clear analysis of long Covid, 'how many does this affect, and how badly, by age? ' The data from Scotland shared by Steve, shows 30% of the cases coming from the unvaccinated, about 5% of the adult population, so clearly many people are getting this decision wrong! which of course doesn’t mean you have. Apart from the results of an individual life or death analysis, who wouldn’t get vaccinated if it did the following: a) Free up hospital beds so we can treat more of the non-Covid sick. b) Make lockdowns and restrictions less likely, more of our lives to live. c) Lower the hit the economy takes, we all suffer a little less. d) Lowered the case numbers and severity, and by doing so reduced the opportunities for future variants.

It was 600 to 6000 deaths a DAY not a week. Agree 100% though. Regardless of anything else this **** has to stop. Even just last week the health minister said there were 200k cases a day and was doubling every 2 days based on the sage models. By now we should be seeing 12m cases a day. I see the modelling was later last week deemed invalid due to "behavioural changes". No they just made wildly innacurate false estimations and pumped them out into the media with no thought of the consequences. Appreciate its all guess work but it seems some of these sage people are enjoying the limelight just a little too much. Or they are drinking way to much wine at their work meetings.

Out of all the medical staff GP's have left themselves wide open for criticism because they stopped seeing people as they did before. It is fine for people like me who can use zoom etc and to be honest I got to see my GP face to face easily, however others who needed to be seen were turned away. Many of these turn up at A&E instead. There will be some who have done everything they could but others have not but all will be tarred with the same brush. CosKev, yes I was told that but for employers we can still refer to occupational health for a second opinion most of these services run by GP's. I think this thread has been entered into with good intent with all regardless of where you stand on vaccines or not. It also demonstrate how facts and figures are dangerous. There are so many sources out there that actually agreeing on which one to use is a whole subject on it's own. The source can range from official, independent sage, worldwide or made up to look official somewhere. And figures produced with intent are bad. Sage have said that they would never underestimate, fair enough, but to predict 6000 deaths a week from Omnicom to scare people, which the media jump on, is shameful When Whitty puts up his slides, does anyone actually have enough time to read or understand? Death by powerpoint is what we get. It will end but this in it's various strains will become like flu is, there but we get on with it

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Okay, I have moved on a bit tech wise. Today I was given an iPad as well, so just set that up and on it now. This is far better than the phone to type on. From binning off Win XP only a few months ago, I find my self in Appleland 😆.

If this new variant is heading towards being more contagious and less deadly then I'm of the opinion that yes we need to lean towards getting on with it. Top up the vulnerable with vaccine if its beneficial and let the rest build some natural immunity. I actually thought we had started the "live with it" process but the new variant has reset the hysteria. To do this though there has to be a step change on how covid is covered in the media, and I'm not sure the media will be able to wean themselves off Covid news. As for GP's, wholeheartedly agree. Unless they are all helping out at hospitals then where are they all hiding?

Had you seen me you would have said, Oh Look - there goes the Michelin Man... 3 jackets and two pairs of gloves, even then my hands were blocks of ice, and if you can make it out, I put my gloves on the silencer having just arrived, and waiting for my cousin to arrive - the benefits of side silencers, lol Yeah was cold but car ran brilliant and I quite like driving an open car in darkness, apart from the other car's headlights, which even on dip still blind me. 120 mile round trip Sadly I may have to do the same trip again in the coming weeks for other duties but still always great to get out and about in the car.

No I don't think so. Its just that for the younger age groups there's data to support taking the jab and not to. Like I've said all along it's not about what's right and what's wrong as you say. 1800 folk dying because of the vaccine (or strongly linked to) is not a small insignificant number, just by law of average a good chunk of those people would have survived covid. Correct. In fact one of the London papers earlier this week was reporting how many "not fully vaccinated" people were filling up ICU beds. Turns out they were already classing those who hadn't had 3 jabs as not fully vaccinated. Which is the level of reporting we are dealing with.

Two centuries of study and research on these new MRNA vaccines? What's your thoughts on why the manufacturers of these new vaccines had all liability removed before they started giving them out?

I’d never thought of that one - good point.

It really isn’t rigorous to be using data like this to inform our situation, the situation in SA is very different from ours in almost every way. We need to wait for our own data to come out. Not me saying this, but virologists.

It’s fascinating, I look at those personal factors and think ‘why not get a jab’ rather than ‘why get a jab’. We are an emotion driven animal despite all our protestations to the contrary, if a certain emotional response gets triggered, we’ll use whatever tool is to hand to back up our belief, whether that tool be science or superstition. To be absolutely clear, this is a general observation, not targeted at anyone, I just put it here for convenience.

Have a great day @Murraymint🍺🎂

Well put Adam. With the data that's appearing from SA and around Europe, those percentages are about to thankfully become even smaller with Omicron.

If we had 100% of people vaccinated the chart would be all red. That we have many more people vaccinated than unvaccinated means the chart is not the confirmation hoped for. It's just a nice picture than can be interpreted from both sides...

The other virus I couldn't think of was MERS. This article is the beginning of a research paper into Human Coronavirus infections from 2003: https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/1/1/57 Why wasn't there a vaccine for SARS/MERS? Because (assuming I remember correctly) the middle east countries worked fast at informing the rest of the world and it was contained. Both MERS and SARS have R numbers in the 2 - 5 range so they are highly transmissible. I still need to find the Horizon episode with the scientist who has been studying Corona virus' for longer than that. I did find research discussing SARS Coronavirus research from July 2004 using scholar.google.com. It was the top hit. I'm betting there are more if I dug deeper, so research into a Coronavirus vacccine is not only 18 months old. It's come a LONG way in 18 months, but it's not new. Frome here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0042682204002624

Thanks for presenting me with a great example of the ‘Pseudo-science’ that has been propagating since the outbreak. 63% of the nation is overweight, obesity does contribute to increased risk, and 80% of the deaths are in people that are overweight. This simply cannot be interpreted to suggest that slimming down as a nation would have brought deaths down 80%. Confounding factors, I think statisticians call them, for example, the deaths are predominantly in the over 60’s, have you eliminated the impact of their aging immune systems just reacting too slowly or too weakly (wow! Vaccines would really help with that wouldn’t they?) Thanks also for giving me a fine example of ‘confirmation bias ’ I said – “according to ICNARC ... Between 2 January and 24 September 2021, the age-adjusted risk of deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19) was 32 times greater in unvaccinated people than in fully vaccinated individuals. You let that comment slip by (32 times greater risk!) but then quoted the SAME source because you think it gave you an alternative to getting vaccinated. The trouble is many have been fooled by this pretend science, and it leaves in its wake a trail of misery, a hundred thousand severe Covid cases that could have been avoided, thousands of deaths that were avoidable. Most of all though, the collateral damage, for example, the cancer patients that will die horrible deaths of perfectly treatable disease, because the unvaccinated are taking up a disproportionate amount of NHS resources, thereby slowing diagnosis and treatment.

Those circumstances seem to me to be predicated on anything that happens to fit the confirmation bias of the reader. So what are they reading? It looks to me like "their" information does indeed come from Facebook, Twitter, Youtube and/or by following links to conspiratorial websites and blogs which contain little to no science and where there is science, it is ridiculously mis-understood or mis-interpreted. There are a number of "statistics" in the recent batch of posts that claim deaths or hospital admissions or side effects or whatever are "in fact" much worse than we are being told yet there is no scholarly evidence to back up the claim, falling back to "I know someone..." or worse, just bad maths and bad comprehension which is the seed for much of these types of "facts". OK, for the moment lets assume these "internet facts" are a true representation of the situation and there is a conspiracy of some sort and the Government or big pharma or the illuminati or the Scientology Aliens or the Romulans are covering up the truth. Well if these all powerful forces are covering up the truth, how did "you" (that's a "royal you", it's not aimed at anyone specific) find out about it? Or... it's not being covered up very well BUT only those who hold a similar view have managed to learn about it. Hmmm... OK maybe, but lets not forget this government can't keep a party with a handful of people in attendance quiet, but they are involved in global conspiracy to cull the population or cause mutations or whatever idiotic claim is the current conspiracy du jour and no-one can find any solid proof of this AT ALL. Next we'll be hearing that Covid 19 vaccines made the earth spherical... Someone mentioned that a person can hold different opinions about the same thing. It's called cognitive disonance. There's a lot of that about, and it seems to manifest itself in a particular group, but I digress... Back to the conspiracy. "They" want to see who can be controlled by releasing a virus and a "vaccine" to look for obedience/compliance in the population. The uncontrolled/non-compliant are culled "naturally" so "they" win. But as the anti-vaxxers, to my eyes at least, seem keen to poke two fingers up at the powers that be, science, nature, medicine, history and whatever other types of pie there are in Trivial Pursuits, then surely they should be getting vaccinated so they can continue the fight and call their bluff. Something to think about 'cos it can't be both fake AND fatal... Lets finish with some FACTS. I had my booster last Saturday. Why? Because I've been taking vaccines all my life, for holidays, for work and when I tip up at A+E with another power tool induced wound and they give me a tetanus booster and on occasion anti-biotics to prevent potential infections. NONE of the vaccines I have been given have been as widely distributed and used as Covid 19 vaccines. Several of them have made me feel like crap for a few hours, a bit like Covid 19 where the first one caused me to go to bed early one night and after a good nights sleep I was as right as rain. The second and booster jabs both passed un-noticed. Conversely, anti-biotics always give me a bad stomach for a few days. Anyone who knows anything about how anti-biotics work will know why this is and it has nothing to do with conspiring to keep me in or near the bog for a few days so the government can test what I've been eating and know when I'm indisposed. But I digress... again... By this set of facts, all those who are hesitant now know first hand of a person who has had all three jabs and didn't die, didn't have a heart attack, didn't develop blood clots, is not being tracked by nanobots and judging by the length and tone of this contribution, has lost none of his abilites to be just as annoying as he always was. Proof positive that his mental state is unaltered since taking the vaccine. Apart from referring to himself in the third person. That's new. Please hasten to your keyboards armed with this perfectly acceptable sample of "someone I know on the internet...", and spread the good news...

Thanks everyone for a really enjoyable day. Seen you all soon.

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Arrived last weeek Decided I need a roadlegal Westfield, as with track one is lot of work, not much driving (one trackday a month is a lot of preparations etc) , and anyway I had a podium with track westfield so often ( how humble ) , so ... decided to buy a chasis with road legal papers to be able to register here in Poland . Not only chasis, but without an drivetrain as I hope I can manage it myself, and due to this the taxes and dutes was lower Thanks to @RJRWesty for patience with completing car to my 'specification' and for a fair deal! Seems to be a busy winter and maybe spring. I.E. I did not know that one SEiW is not equal other SEiW - and my hope for installing my spare MT75 gone after seeing the narrower tunnel intended for type9 gearbox. But there is bright side of this - more place for foot , which is always good for road car and my and my sons rather big foots . Type 9 already ordered here in Poland as well as Sierra propshaft, heard that could make a short Westfield propshaft out of the Sierra one. Well there is after first glance more differences between this and my first Aerorace. First impression is - oh, how much easier is to build a track car than road! so much simpler ! no heater, no, windsceen, no wipers, no speedometer, no lights, no handbrake, no worry about gealcoat and paint etc etc... Anyway, happy but little worried if I can manage completing it and properly register, hope so , and so could send here pictures from trips with this red arrow !

My 2 pennies worth on this.... I'm currently building an unbuilt kit that was originally purchased from Westfield in 2002. I'm not sure when this was originally purchased (possibly 2010 from the sellers other posts here?) so that would be my number 1 question. Parts that have been in storage for a while might be corroded, degraded, brittle with age, bodywork might have storage marks, crazing, scratches, tyres need replacing etc. Are there any parts missing? Certainly from the photos, you can't see everything. Does the engine have throttle bodies? What gearbox? Are there any parts included that you don't want that could be sold on to recoup some money, e.g. ARBs? These are the questions that spring to mind for me. If all of the above checks out, it could be a real bargain. Good luck!

No, I don't think so. What Chris said is very true. There are also a couple of other points, Unbuilt kits are a tricky sale, in some ways. It's not a cheap route to buy a car, as there will almost always be "extras" along the way, quite apart from the cost/complication of IVA, (not actually that tricky, but between the test, road tax, and incidental costs, like IVA parts etc, you're still probably looking at the thick end of a grand, money wise). Couple that with the fact that there's a much smaller market for people who want to build an entirely brand new kit, compared to those who just want a car, and it's a reasonable price. The other thing to remember, "we" generally build/buy/upgrade these cars for our own pleasure, as a hobby - most are owned by enthusiasts of some sort. So we spec accessories and options that will please us/enhance our driving experience, or even sometimes, just because we've always fancied them. However, while it's surprisingly easy to add thousands to the cost of buying the kit and its parts, you aren't usually increasing the value/worth of the kit by anything like the same amount! Some options can make a car more desirable for sure, but that £1k upgrade, may make absolutely zero difference to what the whole car is worth second hand, I'm afraid. Do check exactly what is included though, just to make sure you're aware of any major costs that there might still be.

The original poster was on the forum on Saturday, so is still around. I'm not sure how often they check in though, so if you haven't, it may be worth either dropping them an email, or giving them a call - they've included their contact details in the advert. If it has sold though, could I possibly ask @rigel (or yourself, Nige, if you find out), to let us know, and the advert can me marked as sold. - It just helps avoid anyone getting their hopes up for a good bargain, when they've already gone! I've just spotted the last line in the advert showing it was edited on Saturday, so it was still around at that point. - I'd reach out directly soon as you can, it may suddenly start moving at the new price.

I don’t think so. It is effectively a second hand kit so you’d expect to see a substantial reduction in the price you pay for a “new” kit form the factory - and the choices made may not match your own preferred options. Also, there will be a limited market for a “used“ kit, but if you are in that market then grab a bargain. (In my opinion anyway 😁)