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So is this the @NigelOwho had the double homemade burger stack in a bun with coleslaw and chips whilst saying he shouldn’t eat too much as it will spoil his dinner when he gets home? 😀. I did sneak in a millionaire shortcake as a pudding but our Peak District cake experts didn’t have any whilst we were out (probably did when they got home thou). I needed the extra as to get to you on time, it’s no breakfast and I don’t have any dinner waiting for me when I get home as I am often too late!!

Thanks mate 63 now our lass wasz 50 last week Dont say you lucky sod that was ok wen i was 30 and she was 18😄 Now its jigsaws and hot waterbottle coco and she sends me to bed Then shouts have ya got ya pads on its cleen bedding Ask glen hes in same boat Hope to see ya all next year Thanks john

Those circumstances seem to me to be predicated on anything that happens to fit the confirmation bias of the reader. So what are they reading? It looks to me like "their" information does indeed come from Facebook, Twitter, Youtube and/or by following links to conspiratorial websites and blogs which contain little to no science and where there is science, it is ridiculously mis-understood or mis-interpreted. There are a number of "statistics" in the recent batch of posts that claim deaths or hospital admissions or side effects or whatever are "in fact" much worse than we are being told yet there is no scholarly evidence to back up the claim, falling back to "I know someone..." or worse, just bad maths and bad comprehension which is the seed for much of these types of "facts". OK, for the moment lets assume these "internet facts" are a true representation of the situation and there is a conspiracy of some sort and the Government or big pharma or the illuminati or the Scientology Aliens or the Romulans are covering up the truth. Well if these all powerful forces are covering up the truth, how did "you" (that's a "royal you", it's not aimed at anyone specific) find out about it? Or... it's not being covered up very well BUT only those who hold a similar view have managed to learn about it. Hmmm... OK maybe, but lets not forget this government can't keep a party with a handful of people in attendance quiet, but they are involved in global conspiracy to cull the population or cause mutations or whatever idiotic claim is the current conspiracy du jour and no-one can find any solid proof of this AT ALL. Next we'll be hearing that Covid 19 vaccines made the earth spherical... Someone mentioned that a person can hold different opinions about the same thing. It's called cognitive disonance. There's a lot of that about, and it seems to manifest itself in a particular group, but I digress... Back to the conspiracy. "They" want to see who can be controlled by releasing a virus and a "vaccine" to look for obedience/compliance in the population. The uncontrolled/non-compliant are culled "naturally" so "they" win. But as the anti-vaxxers, to my eyes at least, seem keen to poke two fingers up at the powers that be, science, nature, medicine, history and whatever other types of pie there are in Trivial Pursuits, then surely they should be getting vaccinated so they can continue the fight and call their bluff. Something to think about 'cos it can't be both fake AND fatal... Lets finish with some FACTS. I had my booster last Saturday. Why? Because I've been taking vaccines all my life, for holidays, for work and when I tip up at A+E with another power tool induced wound and they give me a tetanus booster and on occasion anti-biotics to prevent potential infections. NONE of the vaccines I have been given have been as widely distributed and used as Covid 19 vaccines. Several of them have made me feel like crap for a few hours, a bit like Covid 19 where the first one caused me to go to bed early one night and after a good nights sleep I was as right as rain. The second and booster jabs both passed un-noticed. Conversely, anti-biotics always give me a bad stomach for a few days. Anyone who knows anything about how anti-biotics work will know why this is and it has nothing to do with conspiring to keep me in or near the bog for a few days so the government can test what I've been eating and know when I'm indisposed. But I digress... again... By this set of facts, all those who are hesitant now know first hand of a person who has had all three jabs and didn't die, didn't have a heart attack, didn't develop blood clots, is not being tracked by nanobots and judging by the length and tone of this contribution, has lost none of his abilites to be just as annoying as he always was. Proof positive that his mental state is unaltered since taking the vaccine. Apart from referring to himself in the third person. That's new. Please hasten to your keyboards armed with this perfectly acceptable sample of "someone I know on the internet...", and spread the good news...

It very nearly did spoil my dinner too - SWMBO wanted to know why I was struggling with a huge plate of roast pork and several veg. I see what you did though, ABC - Milionnaire's shortbread is "pudding" not "cake", which means that your earlier statement that the day was "cake free" is actually down to interpretation, rather that bearing any resemblance to the facts. Have you thought about standing for parliament? 😉

nice one Nigel, get in there!😂😂 Poor Andrew, comes all this way in all this weather and then he gets grassed up, so funny but you are a good 'un ABC. There is a very good reason why I favour cafes over pubs, pubs are busy with Gin and stuff, cafes only have to worry about the cake display.

So what was that chocolate shortbread thing you were munching on just after the huge steak & ale pie?….. 😉

Thanks everyone for a really enjoyable day. Seen you all soon.

I spent a time working for the NHS as a Medical Technical officer. I was required to have a series of vaccinations to keep that job. At no point did I consider this an infringement of my rights or a conspiracy to control my mind or whatever other bl**** nonsense the vast majority of anti-vaxers seems to believe - I considered it as a bit of enlightened self interest on the part of the NHS first (don't want to get sued for staff catching or spreading anything), and an element of corporate responsibility towards me second (don't want staff catching anything). I had zero issue with getting it done either as I really didn't want to risk catching what was being vaccinated against. I bet with the same style of FUD campaign I could convince the majority of the current anti-vax proponents to stop driving their cars. Let's face it, the vast majority of car drivers have about as much knowledge of how their conveyance works as most of us do about how medicine works. A few finely crafted sentences of the unknowns, potential problems and a few random test cases is all it takes. Throw in some b*****k* about having your freedom infringed and the righteous indignation takes over, what little critical thinking capacity a person may have had now thoroughly subsumed by rage. No guarantees in life I'm afraid, all you can do is play the odds. I'm liking the odds of getting vaccinated, and I'll always believe cock-up over conspiracy. YMMV

No fog in Snowdon. Fantastic 100mile run out today and only got caught out in the fog bank when I dropped down into Conwy for my last 5 miles and no it wasn’t me who hit Santa.

I had my booster today. it was given to me in a local church. This is a sticker I received. Churches are not how I remember them.

Without pics, none of this can have happened! 😊

Surely a caramel shortbread would always be classed as a biscuit. A mere snack.

I dont think anyone has quoted any info whatsoever gleaned from fb or twitter? Strange thing to say. Again I'd politely disagree. It's absolutely flawed reporting as the media do not seem to use the ONS data. They use the more sensationalist instantly available data. You are absolutely correct though the correct accurate data is available. Tons of it. But how many people will actually will take the time to sit and look through it vs believing what is said by politicians, on TV and in the written media? Which is more often than not skewed to whatever agenda is being pushed.

We don’t have to skip over the ‘flawed reporting’ it isn't flawed reporting but 'flawed listening', we can discuss it, there are, quite simply, two different figures reported, a) ‘deaths within 28 days of a positive test’, reported daily because the figures from death certificates are not collated for days, or more. b) The ONS Covid deaths data - directly from death certificates, specifically from section 1 of death certificates where Covid “leads directly to death” So contrary to some opinions, being run over by a bus after a positive test is NOT included. Death certificates are completed by doctors, then sent to registrars, who then send the data to the Office for National Statistics (ONS) The ONS is a body of about 5000 civil servants that simply collect and publish data, they do not report to any minister, they have no particular political allegiance. So, the data regarding deaths caused by Covid is simply, people that, in the absence of Covid, would still be alive. I hope that explanation is clear to you. Secondly, let us approach the possibility that the figures don’t reflect vaccine effectiveness, e.g. “over time we have gradually built up natural immunity” No, according to ICNARC (Intensive Care National Audit & Research Centre) Between 2 January and 24 September 2021, the age-adjusted risk of deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19) was 32 times greater in unvaccinated people than in fully vaccinated individuals. This figure is less pronounced now, because vaccine induced immunity is waning amongst the elderly and vulnerable. It remains the case that 20% of the population are unvaccinated, but 50% of admissions and deaths are amongst the unvaccinated. If you want to know what is happening, go to the people that know, leave twitter and FB alone.

Sadly not... any positive Covid test result within 28 days, and that person goes on the Covid death stats - even if they got run over by a bus on day 27, having been asymptomatic from the virus. Illogical, at best. But as they say, never put down to malice something that can be explained by stupidity. I have a feeling this way of reporting was badly thought through at the start, and now they can't / won't change it for consistency reasons. Edit: perhaps I am wrong, certainly seems like the reporting method has changed from Jeff's informed post below. I wish the powers that be would keep us up to date with this stuff... Edit 2: https://ukhsa.blog.gov.uk/2020/08/12/behind-the-headlines-counting-covid-19-deaths/

Happily. I'm more than willing to take the advice of the medical profession. It puzzles me that folk who refuse the vaccine are more than keen to get medical attention from the exact same place that was offering the vaccine in the first place. What makes them think there’s a difference between the two things? Here’s a challenge for those who refuse a vaccine - next time you’re ill, sort yourself out. After all, you clearly don’t trust healthcare.

196 glorious miles. No roof day at the end of December. Wipers got well used due to the fog! Left here at 7.15am in the dark and fog. Home again just after 4 as the darkness came and again in the fog. Brilliant day out. Thanks one and all but especially the one.

I am aware that many will not believe this - the day was also CAKE FREE!!

Trust the founder member of the Westfield Swingers Club Chesterfield, to come out with a phrase like that! 😊 Glad you've had a good run out!

What a fantastic day! can you tell by the fun comments made above by our witty companions. Not just the people but the cars too, oh the cars have been so wonderful to look at, we always love it when Billy swaps to the Porsche in the winter so this was just brill. Obviously I love a line of Westfield's but if they don't come out in the cold (not you ABC😀) then this is a cracking substitute. The driving has been challenging too and I love a challenge. We set off with ABC in minus a half a degree fog to arrive in Matlock with it's blue sky and sunshine. It was like that all the way to Edale, very unpredictable, the last bit of road was running with water, in the shade, surrounded by frost covered grass and very steep downhill. I presume that if there are grit bins at the side of the road it means the road does not get gritted so much? well I wasn't taking that risk and slowed it down just in case we met any black ice. In the sunshiney bits the air was really clear and the wintry long shadows made for spectacular views over The Great Ridge, Nigel's photo gives you a good idea of what I mean. We arrived at The Rambler with that WOW factor, my rear view mirror, oooh, a cocktail of Westfield, Porsche and Aston Martin combined with the views forward, oooh. We met at McD's in Matlock and caught up on everyone's news as we went on a grand tour of the cars. We have 2 x V8's, a straight six 3 litre and a flat six 3.2 litre, all led by my very puny 1.8 Zetec, talk about feeling inferior, I was dreading the start up as everyone else sounded so grunty. I had to laugh at this one, Bonnet's Up in Porsche terms is a comparison of how much storage space you have, quite a lot actually! Under the bonnet of the AM, 4.3 V8 Inside the AM Oops, I need a closer look. My, it was very low to the floor, that's rich coming from a Westfield driver. Nothing to see in the engine bay of a Porsche only 2 fans so here is the interior of the 911 Targa 4S Oops, I needed a closer look at that one too I just had to try the back seat out, I was glad my husband was next to me when I said that, not that there was any room to get up to anything in there! I could barely breathe. Rear window, not often do you find a rear window worth photographing So that was us with our new meeting place tried, tested and deemed successful. We arrived at a frosty but sunny Rambler Inn We all had a great lunch before heading off home. I was glad ABC follows me all the way to the petrol station 1 mile from my home, just in case I ran out of fuel. We are changing the last few fuel pipes next week and I needed to run my tank down, don't you just hate doing that, we made it home thankfully and with enough time to wash any salt residue off the underneath of the car. It is always great to see our regulars ABC and Billy, it is an extra treat when Nigel brings his witty sarcasm that makes me laugh so much and it is so sweet to see AndyR who we know can only come infrequently, more so when he moves to Arran, so we have savoured every moment today. Have a lovely Christmas guys, stay safe and thanks for coming, Glen and Julie xxx

An early start. My first ride in the dark. Damp and foggy, Wipers packed up on the way there 😂. 40 miles to meet (7 sevens) some of the SKCC guys for a brisk little 65 mile blast around the Sussex and Kent country side. Breaky stop and back home for a good wash! 😎👌

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Not easy typing on an iPhone for me with big fingers but I’m getting used to it. I was happy with an old Nokia for just text and phone but 3 years ago eventually bought an iPhone, cause it’s so useful. Still keeping a laptop for editing photos because of the larger screen.

Well am in no rush its x mas no sun lock down looming again and its a summer toy if it sells will be sad if not look like more fetling next year and hard work And i think thats one of reasons for sale only 1 of them i take pride in my stuff and its got harder and harder to keep it nice after runs with my health and mind not been on it so dont want to see it go downhill whilst i own it needs the baturn handing over to someone else to cherrish But if its .not gone will be showing julie and glen the way round the peaks again like last time Thanks for post

Doesn't sound like you need to waste money on hot water bottles, when you can make your own lovely warm feeling!

Nope. Just the FIA 😀😀

FTFY

i will go for a head start everytime

Atheist. When you're dead your dead.

Could we say the same for alcoholics, smokers, drug addicts, motorcyclists and anyone else choosing to take a risk? I dont think anyone is mistrusting our healthcare, they don't create and distribute vaccines, they don't make policy they are just the good men and women who thankfully deal with what is put in front of them. But answer me this. If anyone who is not taking a vaccine silly or away with the fairies, why are there roughly 90000 people in the NHS risking their jobs by currently being unvaccinated?

I would separate science and medicine out from each other personally. But I definitely get your point 👍 general advances in technology of all sorts are allowing us to live longer, definitely. I think those who have strong feelings either way always come out in these discussions (Brexit!!!), so I don't think these last few pages are representative of a forum ratio. Only child (oh and I am well away with the faries too). Don't like being told what to do 🙃 certainly not by some buffoon who walked into Eaton with a silver spoon hanging out of his gob, goes by a phoney name and can't even stick to his own rules. I actually reconsider my position on this every few days, and am constantly trying to glean as much info as I can from various places. I am still of the opinion that none of the Covid assistance meds are suitable for someone in my position, all things considered (he says with a banging head, runny nose, sore throat, stiff neck and shoulders, sneezing and coughing! Sounds like Omicron, but these are the exact symptoms of flu, and my Covid test came back negative. Weird huh...).

The car has been SOLD. Like a cat with 9 lives it will be bought back up to MOT standard and enjoyed by a new owner.

And how would he have reacted to a Covid infection then? Nobody knows, but the statistics bear out the assertion that on balance, the vaccine is orders of magnitude safer than catching the virus unvaccinated. There are always going to be individual cases but this is a numbers game. The trouble comes when you know the face behind the number.

This does not reflect the national statistics though. Which show a much more even number or even more vaccinated people. Which you'd expect with the age profile of serious illness. One of the saddest things I've seen over the past few months is the number of "celebrities" on TV stating how selfish the unvaccinated are. There was another rugby player just yesterday at it. How they arent protecting their loved ones etc. Its disgraceful misinformation and marginalising a number of the population. Yes some believe that the jab is the root of all evil and full of nanobots but there is a decent chunk who've read the data and made a choice based on their circumstances. (And I'm double jabbed)

A group of the Bristol and Bath area members met for a karting evening last night. The event was held over two sessions. The first was just practice so we could all learn our way around the track. After a break, we all went out on track again for the race. Rather than being a conventional standing start grid format it was just based upon lap times. Whoever got the fastest lap time was the winner. It was great to see everyone as it has been a while since we all got together. The event was held at Teamsport Karting in Avonmouth. I had been there a few years ago but it was good to see the track layout had changed and there were some new karts. There was a real contrast in grip from the upstairs mezzanine and the ground floor concrete, the latter being much more slippery in the cold conditions. There were a few crashes with yellow or red flags. One was me. I came right out of my seat! I felt OK straight afterwards but I was suffering when I woke up this morning! After we came off the track everyone was keen to see how they had got on. The fastest time was one of the ladies. I managed midfield so I have more work to do! All in all, a fun evening. Many thanks to Ross for organising everything.

Just got back but unfortunately my run home was met with fog & mist the whole way 😞 Thanks for a great run out today ... the temperature was a little (as in a lot!) colder than predicted by our glamorous weather lady but heated seats & steering wheel helped with that. Nice to have an Aston Martin in my rear view mirror and the Turkey baguette was fantastic. Can't wait for the next one!

Just got back - I wimped out of taking the Westie - just as well, as Julie's forecast of "it'll be 6 degrees" turned out to be a bit wide of the mark (by about 6 degrees....) The drive alternated between glorious sunshine and thick fog - Billy Pee reported that the Cat & Fiddle was thick fog on the way over, but I gambled that it might have cleared a bit, so I took the long route home. It looked like being a poor decision until about a mile from the summit and then the fog cleared - couldn't resist a piccy....

That clutch pedal linkage 😄

I'll have a go for you. Silver isn't so easy, as it's not a colour it's a metallic and you need a reflective/metallic item to start with.