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Some of us were lucky enough to run against some of this on the way home ( @Greenstreak-Andy D & @Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Secretary) and see the spectators lining the route in places (Hulme end etc). https://heroevents.eu/article/hero-challenge-one-heat-peaks-in-the-derbyshire-hills/4 points
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Watching it live I thought Lewis had been too optimistic - the collision seemed to be in the middle of the track. On the replays I thought racing incident. It all happened so quickly though, it's really hard to tell (unless you're a fanboi of one or the other, then it seems clear cut!). Lewis was definitely alongside enough on the approach to have earned the space but perhaps not that much space. On the other hand, Max was turning in from the middle of the track. He does spot Lewis and unwinds the lock for a split second but then applies even more than he had originally, I guess expecting Lewis had backed out, but he hadn't. I think the move itself was on, but the execution had some flaws and that's why he got the relatively minor penalty.3 points
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I nearly got the 'sponge of shame' as I had a fuel leak this morning. New hoses and clips ordered ready for next weekend. It's one of those days I think, at least everyone got home safe. The photo's are lovely, we create quite a queue at a junction so that also makes for a good photo opportunity that I don't get. I will do that again where I give out a postcode for further on in the route, then at least we have a good chance of staying together. You all did well today, we must have looked quite a sight in a long line of cars.3 points
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Made it back home safely in the end. Fuel pump packed in as we left the garden centre. Spluttered to a stop just before the first roundabout in Ashbourne. There was no clicketty-clack from the fuel pump. Checked fuse and it was fine. Checked wires were still connected and they were. So assumed that fuel pump had packed in. RAC man checked over the car and established that there was power to the fuel pump so it was that that had given up the ghost. Just had to wait for a trailer then. Was quite warm so waited under a nearby tree. Thanks to those who stopped from the club. And especially the lady who brought us a couple of cans of pop because she passed and thought we looked thirsty! At least it is a quick and easy fix and shouldn't keep us off the road at all.3 points
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The severity of the crash has nothing to do with the guilty party (if any). As I see it the two were very nearly side by side on the approach to the corner and yet in a very short period of time Max's car was wheel (rear) level with wheel (front) of Lewis's car. There are only two ways this can happen: the car that drew ahead accelerates or the one that was drawn ahead of, slows. Max could not have accelerated since he was already going as fast as he could, therefore Lewis must have slowed (backed off). How Horner can interpret that as 'stuffing a wheel down the inside on the corner' I fail to see. The cars were as near as makes no difference side by side at the end of the straight. There was very little space on the right of Lewis's car and there was more than a car's width of the left of Max's. Max may have assume that Lewis had dropped back a little more than he had and moved right to prevent further movement forward by Lewis. On the other hand it could have been a textbook squeeze-off manoeuvre by Max along the lines of previous Max moves in earlier races. If Max had simply spun out and hit nothing instead of crashing heavily it would make no difference to the events leading to the spin/crash. Those events are the pertinent matter vis-a-vis culpability, not the outcome. Racing incident, as per the video.2 points
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I don't really get the fluster about it all to be honest. Both drivers had plenty of room, neither "turned into" the other and both could have backed out to change their lines. It was simply that neither was willing to give ground in a two cars into one space situation. It's essentially the definition of a first lap racing incident and had it not been at copse, and not been good media bait to stoke up, it would all be done and dusted already. I'm sorry Max got hurt as it was a big shunt, but he's okay and I 100% believe if reversed he would have sent it down the inside in exactly the same way and been happy to take the win afterwards. It's not like he's never got his elbows out many times before. Both sets of fans will blame the other one obviously (Lewis haters in particular always seem quick to pipe up on the slightest sense of a misjudgement), and Red Bull/Horner/Marko aren't ever shy of a rant on camera, but I just don't think it was that big a deal. If blame needs to be apportioned then it probably leans more towards Lewis than Max in the circumstance - although objectively in hindsight if Lewis was 'never going to make the corner' then Max should have let him fly off wide and just carried on his day - but it was marginal. Certainly not worthy of all the "Lewis should be suspended" or racist nonsense. Essentially all that has happened is racing fans have been given some hard racing, something to gossip about, a closer championship and some petrol poured on a rivalry the likes of which hasn't been seen for a long time. Basically what they all wanted. If we are going to start talking seriously about morality of the manner of celebration, etc... then that is fine, I think Lewis probably should have shown a little more concern/restraint given the nature of the race, but he is an emotional guy and I 100% believe isn't out there trying to be unfair or hurt people deliberately. Plus if anyone seriously starts holding Max Verstappen up as some sort of moral bell weather we've got bigger problems. Don't get me wrong. I'm not hating on Max at all, I think he is lighting quick and massively talented. I just don't think the incident justifies all the fuss. Ultimately Lewis is going to get crucified in Zandvoort (and Spa) and Max is probably going to win the title... and Christian Horner will still find something to moan about.1 point
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I'm in the Peak District about 20 minutes from Sheffield so Cadwell, Blyton, donny and oulton are my "local" tracks1 point
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Ok, cheers....Escort Agency, eh? The car type I assume?! Hope youโre keeping well. See you at stoneleigh?1 point
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Yes the A35 was quite congested, so we arrived quite late. It was a good evening for walking along the quay, chatting to a few of the owners and looking at the boats too. By the time we'd had our fish and chips it was gone 9pm and I was one of the very last cars to leave so the trip home was very easy. It was getting cooler and there was a low mist gathering in the fields, a few deer appearing at the edge of the woods. A great afternoon and evening.1 point
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Check out Max's hand movements going into the corner (on Karun Chandok's review) and then see if Max can claim to be blameless Also, Max has claimed that it was unsportsmanlike of Lewis to celebrate his win while Max lay in hospital. At least Lewis knew that Max was OK while he carried on racing. I don't seem to recall Max declining to celebrate his second position at Bahrain 2020 while Romain Grosjean's condition was uncertain (although I accept that Max wasn't involved in the incident that put Romain into the barrier). Whinger Spice didn't do himself any favours, especially after he claimed that overtaking into Copse isn't acceptable. Plank.1 point
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But the whole incident has got us all talking and its racing we want to see not a procession1 point
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don't know where to start with this one. even though historically I am a Lewis fan boy I wrote on FB yesterday the Senna quote "If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver.โ I called it as a racing incident at the time. it was the first lap and the steward are supposed to be letting racing happen. yes they could both have given more room Lewis on the inside although to me looked like one the car was up the inside he did have an element of understeer which didnt help. Max turned in realised Lewis was there turn out then back in tighter. max had used the outside and plenty of the run off in the same corner in the sprint race the day before so could have easily done the same again. looking at Sergio come through the pack in the early stages the Red bull had great race pace so would probably come out on top at the end anyway. I also posted a picture of Seb Vettle from his Reb bull days sending it up the inside on Alonso in 2014 see below but it think Christian Horner must have had a memory laps when he said every driver knows you dont send it up the inside there. in conclusion. exciting first 40 seconds, boring for 1 hour and 40 mins interesting for last 10 mins watching Lewis chase Charles down, what a great drive from the Monagas just not quite enough but the Ferrari has come on a great journey this year. oh big shout out to the McLaren boys they are solid best of the rest atm and Lando is doing a cracking job P3 in the championship1 point
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As above - racing incident - but as usual, Hornerโs hypocrisy and whining are one of the most unedifying things about F1 today. MV is a very talented driver but heโs got a pretty chequered history of clumsy / borderline dangerous overtaking moves and turning into other drivers mid-corner to push them off the circuit or make them brake instead of racing wheel-to-wheel. CH conveniently forgets or worse, defends his own driversโ stunts while over-dramatising when things happen to his own. LH had zero intention of causing a โ51Gโ accident. (Disclaimer: Iโve also got very little respect for a man who leaves his pregnant wife and children for Gerri Haliwell.)1 point
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Very, sorry to read this @BillyPee I'd agreed to be the 'fool at the back', though you and @HB46443 didn't do the 'Le Mans' Start required and got left behind initially. I'd got you both in my mirror's leaving the garden centre but traffic was heavy and hoped you'd catch up. Hedlley did, but we didn't know about you. Hope you're soon fixed and see you soon. Best regards, ian1 point
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@BillyPee glad you got home safe, wasn't a great day for reliability today! On the bright side, neither of us had anything fall off, so no "magnet of shame" at the next meet ๐1 point
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Fantastic run out really nice meeting everyone thank you for making us feel welcome can't wait for the next one look forward to seeing you all again soon ๐1 point
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Thanks for coming everyone, nice to meet all the new faces and I hope everyone managed to get home safely without cooking too much. We had the 'Andy cake off' and without a doubt it was Andrew-ABC who was the winner, with Andy-aeg coming in second, leaving Andy Westwood a challenge on his next visit. The boyish good looks will have to be on top form, oh and ordering a double sized piece of cake helps too. Here are the rest of my photo's, please add yours too. At Fairway's Garden Centre, Ashbourne our meeting place this morning. Thank you to Dave and Ian for trying to sort out my engine woes, I think you are right about the air leak on the manifold, there is a big sooty section on the right throttle body. Good job Ian has 3 arms and can be a brolly dolly as well. We went our run out on the back lanes of Dove Dale which were just wonderfully empty, skirted Bakewell to finish at Quackers Cafe for cake. Our resident cat, Bagpuss, was missing from Ian's bonnet today, good job that I dressed accordingly, although I don't think I would do well on the bonnet! The Westfield Tractor, like a Lamborghini one only better Another cracking Peak District run out, thank you for joining us and hope to see you next time XXXXXXX1 point
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Another fascinating video by Harry and well worth watching. Personally I think this is the future direction for heavy machinery.1 point
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Hope to see some of you later this evening. All being well I'll probably arrive around 6:15pm, coming over from Honiton.1 point
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