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I disagree Adam ... useful for us new comers to understand the rules and history so we know the reasons things are as they are. Otherwise you have misinformed or disgruntled potential competitors sitting on the sidelines. I have only seen you asking questions that many others would have been thinking. I would be open minded to a class with a control tyre as I only care about WSCC - at the moment. But I wouldn't want this imposed on others who are pot hunting against other cars. I guess it comes down to numbers. If enough wanted a control tyre in a class to make it work then it could happen. Caterham do this with their academy class cars. One thing is for clear - you won't please everyone all of the time and I don't envy Nick having to draft the rules each year.#

Cheers Barny

I was a bit disappointed on the content of the programme, more of the technical side of the build was required, like where did the engine come from? I can see it is the straight six 4.2 but was it a new build or a recon unit. Bit too much time spent on the luggage element and watch is my opinion. As for the New Lightweight E type' provenance, it is a new factory car not a replica, albeit not having racing pedigree. It wouldn't surprise me if the 6 cars were sold to very same owners of the originals, for spare parts maybe.

There's a lot in that description that would give me a very favourable first impression. I also thought I recognised the name; it's being sold by an old club member.

I might do this but may end up driving there in the Westie, could anyone maybe give my zzr's a lift? ;-)

The first and therefore, so far, the leading entry. Well done.

Entry on my todo list next week. And I'm not advising you as you'll be fast enough as it is

Tyres, if the demand is there, will be made to the legal requirements. There seems a big enough demand for track day tyres that they will still be around in some form. At worst, they won't be quite as "good" as the old ones, but will still, most likely be way better than conventional road tyres and still 1b. At best, new technology and materials will get taken advantage off to close the performance gap with the old tyres, all be it at a cost no doubt. Don't forget, it's not 1b tyres be banned as such, just that all the ones that were being stopped were 1b's (If that makes sense).

I don't think it's cheap, I think it's 'good value'!

I have to agree with this.It would make starting the sport to compete more economical, possably encourage more newbies.

Terry, Nick - understood. As you said, I've not been in the game long at all and I think I 'miss the point' of sprint racing a little (a development race to go as fast as you can without regard for a level playing field or budget). Edit: That probably came out a little more strongly than intended but I don't have the brain power to do a better job of trying to say exactly what I mean right now - apologies! Edit 2: Regarding only being able to use 1A tyres, doesn't bother me in the slightest. Yes, times will be slower, but everyone will be at the same disadvantage, 1A rubber seems to be cheaper and it means the road-going cars can have only one set of wheels / tyres and still be competitive.

Adam, You'll need to be around the Sprint & Hillclimb paddocks a fair bit more to "get" the scene. Terry is comparing Westfields to other 7 cars. What is not talked about much on this site is that our top competitors are just that, the top guys in the UK nationally. They don;t get beaten by anyone in the Kit and Specialist car classes and often beat a lot of single seater cars as well. Also whilst competing in the WSCC Speed Series they will be competing at the same venues in other Championships, often another 2 or 3. So need to be on the best rubber that is available in the class on the day. It's not like the racing I think you are comparing it to. The other very big change is that in racing there are loads of rules restricting what you can do. In Sprints and Hillclimbs there are far less rules especially once you get into Mod Prod. That's part of the attraction to many there are some amazing cars out there, how about a Mini with Mitsubishi EVO running gear or a spaceframe turbo BDA with a turbo that is kept spooled up using a helicopter gas turbine It's an amazing sport often breaking new technical ground.

FWIW, having not read this thread, I have sent the following to the MSA: Dear Sirs As background, I hold Competition Licence No.181463 and am a member of affiliated clubs: Borough 19 Motor Club, Westfield Sports Car Club, and RAFMSA. I have competed in sprints regularly since 2004 in road-going kit-cars (Striker and Westfield with 1600cc car derived engines). I refer to the proposal (https://www.msauk.org/assets/speedevents-15april2015shcactionsheet-forconsultation.pdf) to outlaw the use of tyres from L List 1B for road-going cars in speed competition from 2017 on "cost and harmonisation" grounds. With regard to "harmonisation", I must know personally at least a hundred competitors running kit cars in road-going classes, and cannot think of a single one currently using List 1A tyres. As kits almost always compete only against other "kits and replicas", it is difficult to envisage with whom it is intended we be "harmonised". On cost, each of these competitors (assuming they remain such) is going to have to "invest" in a new set of tyres for 2017 (many can make a set of List 1B tyres last two or three seasons). Also there will undoubtedly then be a "performance war" as in the past when it suddenly became received wisdom that the Scudo Stunner was the grippiest tyre available in List 1A. Many competitors will find themselves "reinvesting" if they think they have made the incorrect initial choice. Worse still, almost all competition oriented road-going kit cars run on 13" wheels -- for which there is a dearth of List 1A rubber available. Many competitors will therefore find themselves having to buy a new set of 15" wheels -- adding weight (unsprung at that) to their cars. Whilst most will run lower profile tyres on 15" wheels to avoid having to change differential ratios, that fact might well require set-up adjustments. Once again, it is difficult to imagine that anyone will feel that their motor sport has been rendered cheaper. If there is an unstated fuel economy argument with regard to the mandated use of "less sticky" tyres, it should be remembered that most speed competitors will cover no more than 200 miles on track in a season -- meaning that any difference is de minimis. Lastly, the main point missed is that amateur motor sport competitors pursue their hobby because it is fun. I don't think many kit-car competitors will be found who think that driving such a car on 1A tyres is comparable in enjoyment to having 1Bs. Some, me probably included, may simply seek their enjoyment elsewhere. I think that you will be able to tell that I do not support the proposition, and hope you will rethink. With regards

As much as I'd always want to go faster and faster each year, I'd be pretty much as happy going 3-4s a lap slower on other tyres, providing everyone else was in the same boat and target times were reset for every class, not only those with tyre regulation changes. So for one year everyone would get a maximum of 100 points for a win, then from the second year we're back to normal chasing target times in every class, just with road classes chasing slower times than they used to be. Could less grippy tyres actually be a good thing to slightly level the playing field somewhat for those with less powerful engines compared to others in their class? Obviously on tracks with long straights the power will still tell, but on shorter and more twisty tracks it could come down to car setup and driver skill a little more rather than the number of horses being deployed. Dare I say it, could 'control' tyres ever be a way to go for WSCC classes? As in basically every type of circuit racing. That would put us at a disadvantage compared to other clubs and regional championships though when it comes to their target times, depending on the make/model/compound of the control tyre; a price worth paying if we ended up with a set of tyres that last a year easily and only cost £250 a set for example? Possibly my fifth edit of this post now... I'd argue that if people are upset about going slower in absolute terms, despite it being a level playing field in a class with new road-going tyre regs, then they should probably bolt a set of slicks on and go in to the unlimited classes. (yep, I have seriously considered it myself as I'm one of 'those' who might actually not come to terms with going so much slower than the slick shod boys)

I know it's not an official entry, but I don't have access to a scanner at home I make that 4420 thrilling miles

You mean chip butte John !