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cheers capt'n i dont think i have been heavy handed or even to harsh at all with any new forum freeloaders or old forum freeloaders or even folk who want a pat on the back for things they have done for the club and its members over the years ,folk who come on here wanting everything for nowt then moaning coz they cant get it for nowt i stand by it ,pay or shut up :p thats not to bad is it and if that offends you then ,oh dear its sad

I wonder if the nay sayers here would give an honest answer to a few simple questions? If it was 20 years ago and this was a sports club, or a working mans club or stamp collectors club or a photography club would you pay a sub to be a member because it's your hobby and you like to gather with likeminded people and have a chat? I'm guessing yes. Would you expect it to be run responsibly, indemnifying you against losses suffered by the club? Yup... And would you want the organsers to take the time to impart information by way of printed or faxed media when there was information to be imparted, to keep members up to date with club goings on in some easy to assimilate manner? Again, I'm guessing yes. Would you like to participate in club events at venues hired by the club and for a nominal (probably cost) price without worrying about the organiser profiteering? I'm thinking yes. Would you like to buy gifts, souveniers, shirts, hats key rings, stickers etc to show your allegiance and/or your support? I'll stick my neck out and say yes again. ==================================================== Roll forwards 20 years. This is that club. We just happen to have a web site that is partially available to anyone walking in, something that would not be available FOREVER to anyone wanting to take advantage of clubs in days of yore. You'd be EXPECTED to cough up if you kept on turning up, and you'd have to deal with someone face to face and explain why you think you should be exempt from the (quite ridiculously reasonable) subscription. If you didn't pay, you'd not be made welcome for very long. In fact you'd probably be told to jog on in no uncertain terms. Well guess what? This is a CLUB just like those. It just happens to have a bulletin board on the web that allows non members to register a complaint that they can't get it all for free. Name one place where you CAN get it all for free. And by all, I mean a magazine, AO's and their support, events, venue hire, indemnity insurance and all the other things that the WSCC supply and pay for with Monopoly money, 'cos apparently it's all free on the internet... If you want to be part of it, pay up. If you don't want to be part of it, fair enough you are free to seek satisfaction elsewhere. But remember, there is not one single club or organisation anywhere in the world that would allow an "outsider" to have a say in how it's rules are formed or implemented. I mean really, is there any more ridiculous a suggestion? If I was to log on to [insert bulletin board name here] and tell them it was all rubbish and they should do it in a way that suits me best, just how welcome would I be made to feel? It's not difficult to think that one through, is it?

IMG_0124 by adamnreeves, on Flickr No need for words

Might be a clue in Adam's footer ;-)

The other change is that everyone wants everything immediately. Nothing has really changed , in the past 6 weeks before they wanted something they though about it did some research and 2 weeks later ordered it. Delivery was 4 weeks ,so they got it in 6 weeks. Now 6 weeks before they want something they think about it and think about it, then 2 days before they want it they order it and complain because it' s on 3 days delivery