Man On The Clapham Omnibus Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 My 2002 Mk3 Mondeo is feeling tired after 124,000 miles and I'm considering a replacement from the same marque/model but newer. The DPF and DMF problems are a concern, so the older Euro3 spec engines might be preferable, and perhaps even auto... I noticed that the Jag X type is mechanically very similar and very well appointed, plus the prices aren't too horrific either. A decent looking X type estate (my preferred body style) can be had for what seems like Ford prices. Is there a sting in this particular tail does anyone know? Thanks in advance.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidR Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I have an 05 X type 2.0 diesel estate and this is my view / experience Ride, handling and interior are good for a large car, engine is not the quietest mechanically, bags of space in the estate. The rear suspension and roll bar bushes seem to wear out easily and whilst they cost mondeo prices to buy the roll bar wears faster than the bushes and that costs £200. The 18" wheels with low profile tyres give a very firm ride, if i'd known I would have looked for a car with 17" wheels. Fuel consumption is 45ish on a motorway run (at 75ish), otherwise 38 ish around town. Have had several problems with broken wires where they leave the loom and go into the plugs. Radio sensitivity is variable and prone to poor reception, can be fixed but not straight forward. Check the parking sensors work because the control unit is about £145 from Jaguar, many people seem to fit ebay ones. Have a look at http://www.jaguarfor...73cb8768765109f for other people's experience. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff101 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I had a 2.5 V6 Petrol so can't help with diesel experience but would echo the above comments on roll bar bushes. I had to have my rears replaced and the fronts were wearing as well. Build quality is not up to German rivals and the rear brake calipers can stick (I don't know if they're related to sierra ones that suffer the same problem) but I enjoyed owning mine - only sold it as I got a company car. Jag main dealers are better than most as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabs23 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I had a '54 X-type sport 2 litre diesel estate for 6 years as a company car and agree with David above. I must say I didn't manage to get 38 mpg out of it - an average of 34 was what I saw (but much of that was in town or towing). The DMF did go on it after about 5 years (and took out the starter motor too - aparently common as the bits from the disintegrating DMF clog it up). I didn't have any suspension issues, or with broken wires, but fitting a tow bar was a nightmare because of the thin wires - and the connectors kept having to be retightened when they shook loose. Tabs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man On The Clapham Omnibus Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share Posted January 23, 2012 Thanks chaps! From the description of problems re DMF and the sticking rear caliper, you might as well be talking about Mondeos! But then it is essentially a Mondeo in a ball gown after all, so that's no surprise. I shall hedge my bets and look at both Mk4 Fords and the quite attractive prices of the X types. Cheers once more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff101 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I forgot the most annoying part of ownership which is that people can't help telling you that it's not a 'real' jag. Doesn't seem to worry them with audis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekJ Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Hi MOTCO I have a 2009 X type diesel auto (Mondao in a posh frock). It's a nice car to drive, easy on the diesel on a long drive (45 ish/gal). It's PANTS to drive in the snow, but it's an auto so what the devil, The residual pice drops like a stone which is why they are a reasonable second hand buy. They can become expensive when they get older as Jag parts and main stealer prices are a joke. No DIY service manuals unless you can get something of fleabay. Hope this helps DerekJ Only problem now is that I have an urge to buy some comfy slippers and a pipe Cheers DerekJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk89camaro Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Go here to read all the horror stories http://www.jaguarforum.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=14 ......well that's what most of the content of car forums is about, except here of course. I have a MY07 2.2d Sport premium estate, with most of the extras (everything except the premium sound). 18" wheels bother me not a jot, it's a great handling car. 60% motorways gets me 39 mpg, but the 2.2. has bags more torque than the 2.0. It's not a big car though, so don't expect much headroom, or rear legroom. It's OK, but I wouldn't rave about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SootySport Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I've driven the older 2.0L and the newer 2.2L X types quite recently as I was looking for a newish family/tow car, the 2.0 L I fond to be quite slow but the 2.2L is 100% better and feels much livlier. The only problem is all the new Derv's have DMF's and Soot filters since about 2007 so you will be limited to older cars. In the end I bought a Toyota Aiuris T180 and I hate it, should have stuck to the Skoda badge and bought an Octavia 2 diesel or one of the other VAG cars. Passats are bomb proof and make decent estates if that takes your fancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man On The Clapham Omnibus Posted January 24, 2012 Author Share Posted January 24, 2012 Once again chaps, many thanks. I want an estate of Mondeo size, and having had two diesel Mondeos (Mk1 to 230,000 miles, and Mk3 TDDi to 123,000) with no serious difficulties, I don't want to break the mould. I am nervous about DMFs, although I drive with sympathy to them in mind, who knows about the previous owners? The DPF is a fact of life and few recent cars bar the rather puny 1.8 Mondeos have had them for quite a while. The Jag appeals because there seems to be more out there with a decent spec - only the Titanium X compares and there aren't too many of those with roof rails and a towbar for the Westfield trailer. Now the MoT covers towbar wiring and fitting I am a bit chary about another DIY towbar fitting. Time is not pressing so I think I'll procrastinate - I'm good at that - and see what comes along. My current Mondeo's power steering pump is starting to moan and whine, the thermostat is failing, and the central locking works on a part-time basis. It's telling me it's had enough, methinks, but it's not dead yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammy Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 The Ghia X Mondeo also has the larger 155BHP engine and are more common than Titanium's. I'm on my 4th Mondeo so don't be embarrassed ( the 135BHP Diesel is a lot more economical and still goes well plus 52mpg at 80mph, 60mpg at 60mph) - IMO Mondeo a better car than the Jag, maybe its a lighter car, seems bigger inside, Service at Ford is far cheaper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleggy the Spyder Man Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 2.2 diesel Honda Accord comes highly recommended from me - not sure about reliability when they get very high miles on though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man On The Clapham Omnibus Posted February 19, 2012 Author Share Posted February 19, 2012 Update: I have found a very nice, low mileage 2007 2.2 Sovereign estate without a diesel particulate filter being sold privately. One owner, 26,000 miles, and looks from the photograph to be in excellent condition. However, all 2.2 models in this age range have just been (since Sept last) subject to a safety recall involving a re-programming of the ECU to cure a cruise failure. Unfortunately a fair number of cars have been disabled by this software mode and some even had to have new injectors at some considerable expense. Jaguar suspended the recall to 'correct' the software fault but there are still some with the new remap that appear to have suffered damage. This car has had the mod last week but hasn't been used since and as one or two seem to have had the problem appear after some mileage, I am nervous about the prospect of my friendly local Jaguar dealer accepting a problem brought about by a factory mod carried out by another dealer (it's in Kent, I'm in Bucks). I am minded to let this one go and sit and wait for the fuss to die down a bit. Any specialist knowledge gratefully received... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pistonbroke Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I went mondeo hunting looking for a replacement for my much loved 1.8 tdi estate , got nuerotic about all the newer fords with waiting to happen built in faults which of coarse ford dont admit to My advice Have a good long look at Skoda Octavia Estate , ( VW golf platform ) well equiped , good build quality , massive boot space . chuffed to bits with mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff101 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Surely your local dealer gets paid by Jaguar for any recall related work so I don't think it would bother them? Someone with more knowledge will be along to correct me though. As an aside, if it's big enough inside, I would also recommend the Octavia as we have one as our family car. The boots are huge but the rest of the interior is only really golf sized so depends what you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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