Discount on hold for club members

[scott beeland]

I have nowhere mentioned the price of this and therefore your claim for it being expensive is invalid

Oh the delightful irony    

CarlR........Have you been smoking something you shouldn't have??

You seem to be under the impression that I'm Julian Turner??  

I have no idea of what the service is gonna cost (if anything atall!!) and therefore I assume (as there's been no official announcement of the details/procedures or cost of the process) that neither do you.

Unless of course you're psychic...Hence my asking for the Lotto numbers

You have PM./I see little point in carrying on a discussion with you in thread

[darthurs]

Wouldn't this inspection just be similar to getting your car valued for an "agreed value" from your insurer?

Are people going to stop going to the factory for this now in fear of them devaluing their car due to it not having WF parts? I can't see that happening myself.

At the end of the day for people who are new to WF the database is a good idea, it will give them some comfort in what they are buying. For the rest of us we can still use our own judgement on what we would like to buy and how much we are willing to pay for it.

I can't see it making a massive difference to the majority of people, it will just help more inexperienced people into WF ownership which is surly a good thing for us all?

Dan

[Martin Keene]

Wouldn't this inspection just be similar to getting your car valued for an "agreed value" from your insurer?

That's what I'm reading it as. Which is a good thing... I *think* insurance valuations is a service the factory has always carried out, it something they have just never advertised/made official/etc.

[lukeyboy]

Anyway, this appears to have gone off thread....

I think the idea is fantastic Julian............ Please can I have lots of discount        

Phew!! just nipped to the factory and had it certified, bit concerned that the plaque may add extra weight to the car though      

[rm163603]

I think it's easy to see issues either way. It will depend on the execution as to whether this is a good thing or not.

If there is a way of the factory assessing a car pragmatically and with it's purpose (track car, touring, both etc) in mind that would be a good thing.

If it's just based on the % of the car that was supplied by WSC then it's a bad thing.

Maybe this could be combined with an MOT or something. It would be nice to have the MOT done by the factory as this is always a fraught experience when dealing with 'normal' car mechanic types. A yearly factory visit would bring in a stack of money as people will see whats available and upgradeitis will do the rest. When you think about it the market for Westfield upgrades must be similiar to the market for the cars.

Hopefully the new management appreciate that all they need to do to be successful is to meet their customers needs and work to solve customers problems. If they do that the profit will come. Unfortunately in this day and age too many companies are driven by internal 'programs' aimed at their needs not the customers.

I think WSC is starting from a great point though, for a start they actually call you back    Sounds like a small thing but nowadays most firms don't.

[zoso]

Wouldn't this inspection just be similar to getting your car valued for an "agreed value" from your insurer?

Are people going to stop going to the factory for this now in fear of them devaluing their car due to it not having WF parts? I can't see that happening myself.

At the end of the day for people who are new to WF the database is a good idea, it will give them some comfort in what they are buying. For the rest of us we can still use or own judgement on what we would like to buy and how much we are willing to pay for it.

I can't see it making a massive difference to the majority of people, it will just help more inexperienced people into WF ownership which is surly a good thing for us all?

Dan

I concour...

Infact you've saved me typing almost the same thing, good, more time to go to the pub.

Think a few people round here need a pint and a sit down      

[rm163603]

Think a few people round here need a pint and a sit down      

Anyone for a picnic?

[Darkspeed]

I think what is clear from all this is that the WSSC discount with the factory - official or not is GONE.

But in return we are bieng offered the chance to purchase a  "Certificate Of Westfieldness"  

Andrew

edit - poor tryping

[zoso]

Think a few people round here need a pint and a sit down      

Anyone for a picnic?

Nah it's raining....    

[mb893]

Edit for...

This ‘scheme’ at the moment does seem ill thought out.… The danger of devaluing a large number of cars due to buyer perceptions that is instigated by the Factory seems to me to be obvious.

As other people had already said the bits I was going to...

[pete g]

Anyway, this appears to have gone off thread....

I think the idea is fantastic Julian............ Please can I have lots of discount        

Phew!! just nipped to the factory and had it certified, bit concerned that the plaque may add extra weight to the car though      

pmsl            

[Mark Stanton]

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Please can i repeat what i said earlier.  You CAN have your car certified by the factory whether it is a kit or not AND it does not matter whether you have used Westfield parts or not.

Julian you probably have to repeat it again cos some folks can't seem to read

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I think what is clear from all this is that the WSSC discount with the factory - official or not is GONE.

and once more I will repeat *puts chairmans hat on* - The WSCC have never had an agreed structured discount scheme in operation with the previous factory management, any discounts offered have been on an ad hoc basis agreed personally  

Wouldn't it be fairer to everyone if we were given tthe chance to discuss fully and have an equal discount, if possible, to everyone  

[rgs_laverda]

Please can i repeat what i said earlier.  You CAN have your car certified by the factory whether it is a kit or not AND it does not matter whether you have used Westfield parts or not.

It sounds like they will be inspecting and rating the assembly quality and not the source of the parts. They won't care if a particular brake caliper is the "best", but only that it is fully functional and safely installed. This should allay some concerns.......

  This could be an excellent way to lift the factory build quality too. If they plan on grading customer build cars they have to make certain that their own workmanship will get a good grade too. Unless they simply assume that a factory build is 100 points and anything better is irrelevent. IMHO the factory build quality should be given 80 to 85% to allow room to recognise superior build quality by homebuilders. And to motivate the factory to continously improve their own production values.

   They are planning on inspecting and grading their own builds too, aren't they?

 Edited for punctuation.

[Darkspeed]

The certification is just a dealer sales tool - It costs more on the dealer forecourt because its "Factory approved / factory built" watch for more dealer incentivised moves to get dealers to purchase complete factory cars to sell.

Benefit to WSCC members about the same as the ad hoc, personally agreed, non official but officially widthdrawn discounts and I read between the lkines that spares will not be available through the factory very soon - only the appointed dealer network and the dealers will agree any discounts.

Yes its all speculation and supposition but is that banned on this board? or is this as actually as it says on the Westfield BLOG - the Westfild Sportscars Ltd Club !!

Andrew

[Club Secretary (Reserve)]

I never thought that a discount was a given right I presumed every penny discount I got was because I had earned it with the work I do with the factory and the relationship I had formed with them.

Barry, it sounds like you are almost an employee: provide a service & get a discount. You have to EARN your discount by working with the factory and forming a relationship with them. That is great for you as a private citizen, but doesn't that put the club administration in an awkward position?

   The discounts are given for services rendered as per your post above: but the WSCC is an independent organisation, should any WSCC staff be recieving a payment of any kind from the factory? Even an indirect payment such as this discount for UK WSCC members? Should the WSCC be providing a service TO the factory to earn a discount for it's members or does that eventually end up compromising the integrity of the organisation?

  How can the public be sure that decisions taken are not affected by the desire to maintain a positive relationship with the factory. But are instead of benefit to the owners and builders first and the factory second. An owners club should be an advocacy group for the owners, not a buffer between the owners and the factory, not an arm of the factory PR department.

 There are many advantages to being as close as possible to the factory and the people who work there, but there can also be problems as well. It is very hard to be critical of those you know well and like personally, even harder to not give your friends "the benefit of the doubt" when issues arise. Who's feelings does one care most about hurting, ones mates down at Westfield, or some stranger who posts on the WSCC Boardroom with an awkward question?

The club administration are not in an awkward position as we do not have any say in how Westfield Sportscars run their business. I have no idea how discounts are awarded.

To suggest that there may be collusion or "rewards" offered by the Factory to the WSCC Committee in exchange for services rendered is ABSOLUTELY FALSE.  The suggestion that I or any of my colleagues would accept pecuniary advantage as a result of our positions as a Club officials is extremely offensive, and I expect you to apologise to the WSCC Committee on this thread. Personally speaking, if you were a UK based citizen, you would be hearing from my lawyer to answer a case of defamation. For the record, The WSCC is run by volunteers and I can assure you that we do not accept payment OF ANY KIND from ANYBODY in return for our efforts.

Personally speaking, I have been Secretary of the WSCC for about 6 or 7 years. In that time, my total spend at Westfield Sportscars Ltd has been about £80, and I *NEVER* ask for discount. I pay what is requested and I have *NEVER* mentioned my position to any of the staff when I made the two purchases (a battery tray and a set of wiper blades). I even use a different shipping address to the one published on the Contacts page so that a connection may not be made between my name and my position, and I am happy to provide supporting evidence.

I have already asked you to refrain from making any further comment on the subject of your chassis, and you seem to have read, yet failed to understand that request as witnessed by this blatant hijack of an unrelated thread about discounts. If you can't voluntarilly abide by a request made by a Club official, then I will enforce it.