corsechris Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 I recall my Radio Ham work colleague getting extremely upset at the notion of using the grid for powerline data transmission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 42 minutes ago, corsechris said: I recall my Radio Ham work colleague getting extremely upset at the notion of using the grid for powerline data transmission. How come? Would there be an issue of interference with his gear from the power supply? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man On The Clapham Omnibus Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Blatman said: If you can't see the cable from the BT master socket then it's probably been chased in to a wall or goes straight under the floor and the external ductwork may well be hidden. Any chance of a picture? And where is the master socket? I don't have much experience with phone lines that arrive on a pole. In fact I think I have just one customer with above ground phone lines and in his case the nearest pole also serves as a DP, or Distribution Point, so there is other hardware located on or adjacent to the pole. Based on my experience with similar installs I suspect the fibre will be pulled (well, blown actually, but I digress) along the same ductwork to pop out adjacent to the current master socket. Is there a mains plug near the current BT master socket? Bearing in mind that I think you are many many months, if not years away from having to worry about this... There was also a plan to provide internet along the national grid lines back in the day in a way similar to how "homeplugs" work. That never went anywhere either... Thanks Blatters, There's nothing to see actually. The master socket is in the hall on a wall that isn't quite external but fixed 'end-on' to the flank wall of a porch area. All that is irrelevant, though, as the house is odd in that it is a two storey 'bungahouse' with all the living space on the upper storey and an equivalent area of basement below so the line probably enters the wall cavity below ground via the basement somehow. The house is on a hillside with the frontage looking exactly like a bungalow and the rear aspect fully two storeys with integral garage. Nothing ordinary! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Colonial Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 @Blatman Here’s a good one for you - my Virgin v5 hub (which is ready for VOIP telephone connection), located in my basement office, is set up in modem mode and networked by cable to an ASUS router on the ground floor for better network coverage. Will I still eventually be able to plug my Panasonic 6-extension cordless phone into the hub despite it being in modem mode? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 59 minutes ago, Scott Young (Captain Colonial) - Club Secretary said: @Blatman Here’s a good one for you - my Virgin v5 hub (which is ready for VOIP telephone connection), located in my basement office, is set up in modem mode and networked by cable to an ASUS router on the ground floor for better network coverage. Will I still eventually be able to plug my Panasonic 6-extension cordless phone into the hub despite it being in modem mode? Yes! Modem mode allows for the public IP address to be "seen" (for want of a better phrase) by the ASUS router. Essentially it makes the ASUS router the gateway for your internet connection by turning the hub in to a network bridge. I suspect (again, based on nothing more than my networking nous) that would not affect telephony services when they swap to being IP as the providers who allow this type of configuration (modem mode) on their gear should(!) know to take account of it. Whilst telephony services will share a single internet connection there are several processes that will logically separate the phone traffic from normal internet traffic. This is done already where hosted VoIP is used because telephone traffic requires prioritisation over internet traffic. Prioritisation is required because VoIP traffic is sensitive to packet loss and latency (time it takes to arrive at the destination) so it cannot be delayed in transit. This prioritisation is called QoS (Quality of Service) and strictly speaking QoS doesn't work on the internet. But the logical identification and separation of telephone traffic will allow QoS to be applied specifically to telephone traffic so that the phones work... I could actually go into the details of this but I fear we lost El Tel back on page one when his request for a simple answer got lost in all my waffle. Sorry Terry... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Colonial Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 Thanks @Blatman 👍😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 Always a pleasure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsechris Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Blatman said: How come? Would there be an issue of interference with his gear from the power supply? I forget the details, but basically RFI all over the spectrum he was interested in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 3 hours ago, corsechris said: I recall my Radio Ham work colleague getting extremely upset at the notion of using the grid for powerline data transmission. The only radio hams I've ever met get upset if a butterfly farts at altitude, in case it affects their signal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 Ah yes the old high flying farting butterfly problem. Is that why my 4G signal is so bad? And a great name for a band, The High Flying Butterflies. I'm copyrighting that... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 All part of the service! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Colonial Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 My band name will be Missing Cat. That’s because you see posters with the name wherever you go. (Copyrighted) 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Faulkner Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 3 hours ago, Scott Young (Captain Colonial) - Club Secretary said: My band name will be Missing Cat. That’s because you see posters with the name wherever you go. (Copyrighted) 😎 Or call yourselves EXIT as you will see your name in lights everywhere you play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Everall Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 I need to go lie down 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 On 29/05/2022 at 10:49, Terry Everall - WSCC Competition Secretary said: Can someone please explain to me what this is ? IN SIMPLE TERMS Yes... and no... Basically, it'll be nice and simple Tel. Nothing to worry about for a while yet. When it happens, unplug your phone from the wall and plug it in to the BT (or Sky or PlusNet or whoever supplies your phone line) hub that will be sent to you. That's it... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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