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[Steve (sdh2903)]

Thoughts on the first lap incident? 

 

Firstly when I saw max go off and pile in sideways I really thought he'd be lucky to escape serious injury. 51g sideways mustn't have been much fun. 

 

My personal thoughts were it was a little naughty on Lewis's part. He had plenty of room and was a mile off the apex. The penalty was a token gesture. I also felt the over celebration at the end was a little over the top considering he was in that position after putting his rival in hospital. Maybe I'm just not ruthless enough to be a competitive sportsman. 

[Dommo]

Watching it live I thought Lewis had been too optimistic - the collision seemed to be in the middle of the track. On the replays I thought racing incident. It all happened so quickly though, it's really hard to tell (unless you're a fanboi of one or the other, then it seems clear cut!).

 

Lewis was definitely alongside enough on the approach to have earned the space but perhaps not that much space. On the other hand, Max was turning in from the middle of the track. He does spot Lewis and unwinds the lock for a split second but then applies even more than he had originally, I guess expecting Lewis had backed out, but he hadn't. I think the move itself was on, but the execution had some flaws and that's why he got the relatively minor penalty.

[Andrew]

6 hours ago, Dommo said:

Watching it live I thought Lewis had been too optimistic - the collision seemed to be in the middle of the track. On the replays I thought racing incident. It all happened so quickly though, it's really hard to tell (unless you're a fanboi of one or the other, then it seems clear cut!).

 

Lewis was definitely alongside enough on the approach to have earned the space but perhaps not that much space. On the other hand, Max was turning in from the middle of the track. He does spot Lewis and unwinds the lock for a split second but then applies even more than he had originally, I guess expecting Lewis had backed out, but he hadn't. I think the move itself was on, but the execution had some flaws and that's why he got the relatively minor penalty.

 

I pretty much agree with that. 

 

 

 

[Man On The Clapham Omnibus]

The severity of the crash has nothing to do with the guilty party (if any). As I see it the two were very nearly side by side on the approach to the corner and yet in a very short period of time Max's car was wheel (rear) level with wheel (front) of Lewis's car. There are only two ways this can happen: the car that drew ahead accelerates or the one that was drawn ahead of, slows. Max could not have accelerated since he was already going as fast as he could, therefore Lewis must have slowed (backed off). How Horner can interpret that as 'stuffing a wheel down the inside on the corner' I fail to see. The cars were as near as makes no difference side by side at the end of the straight. There was very little space on the right of Lewis's car and there was more than a car's width of the left of Max's. Max may have assume that Lewis had dropped back a little more than he had and moved right to prevent further movement forward by Lewis. On the other hand it could have been a textbook squeeze-off manoeuvre by Max along the lines of previous Max moves in earlier races. If Max had simply spun out and hit nothing instead of crashing heavily it would make no difference to the events leading to the spin/crash. Those events are the pertinent matter vis-a-vis culpability, not the outcome. Racing incident, as per the video.

[Mole]

Was a good atmosphere and a great race to watch with an exciting end..

Yes I agree, a little naughty but it would have been the same the other way round..

The 2022 car looked interesting on its big wheels..

[Captain Colonial]

As above - racing incident - but as usual, Horner’s hypocrisy and whining are one of the most unedifying things about F1 today.  MV is a very talented driver but he’s got a pretty chequered history of clumsy / borderline dangerous overtaking moves and turning into other drivers mid-corner to push them off the circuit or make them brake instead of racing wheel-to-wheel.  CH conveniently forgets or worse, defends his own drivers’ stunts while over-dramatising when things happen to his own.  LH had zero intention of causing a “51G” accident.

 

(Disclaimer: I’ve also got very little respect for a man who leaves his pregnant wife and children for Gerri Haliwell.)

[Man On The Clapham Omnibus]

I am sorry to hear this morning that racial abuse on social media has started already. 

[Steve (sdh2903)]

1 hour ago, Captain Colonial said:

As above - racing incident - but as usual, Horner’s hypocrisy and whining are one of the most unedifying things about F1 today

 

Do you think the noises from toto would have been as calm if it had been the other way around? I seriously doubt it. One feature of this season has been the unbelievable whingeing from Mercedes over every possible detail. Amazing how a real title challenge can make even the biggest conglomerates resort  to childishness. But I guess that's f1 for you. 

 

26 minutes ago, Man On The Clapham Omnibus said:

I am sorry to hear this morning that racial abuse on social media has started already. 

 

Its f***** disgraceful that in this day in age that the social media platforms are allowing these morons the platform to do this. 

[Simon Waterfall Syman84]

don't know where to start with this one.

 

even though historically I am a Lewis fan boy I wrote on FB yesterday the Senna quote  "If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver.”
 

I called it as a racing incident at the time. it was the first lap and the steward are supposed to be letting racing happen. yes they could both have given more room Lewis on the inside although to me looked like one the car was up the inside he did have an element of understeer which didnt help. Max turned in realised Lewis was there turn out then back in tighter. max had used the outside and plenty of the run off in the same corner in the sprint race the day before so could have easily done the same again. looking at Sergio come through the pack in the early stages the Red bull had great race pace so would probably come out on top at the end anyway.

 

I also posted a picture of Seb Vettle from his Reb bull days sending it up the inside on Alonso in 2014 see below but it think Christian Horner must have had a memory laps when he said every driver knows you dont send it up the inside there.

 

in conclusion. exciting first 40 seconds, boring for 1 hour and 40 mins interesting for last 10 mins watching Lewis chase Charles down, what a great drive from the Monagas just not quite enough but the Ferrari has come on a great journey this year. oh big shout out to the McLaren boys they are solid best of the rest atm and Lando is doing a cracking job P3 in the championship   

[Steve (sdh2903)]

6 minutes ago, Simon Waterfall Syman84 said:

Red bull had great race pace so would probably come out on top at the end anyway.

 

I think that is where Lewis is a far more rounded driver. If he had been in front and 35 points clear I think he'd have probably picked his battle elsewhere and lived to fight another lap. Whereas max doesn't seem to have that long game mentality. 

[BenD]

i dont watch any of the post race interviews or really pay attention to what the team bosses are saying. i dont like politics full stop. but i thought the race was a good race. maybe the atmosphere and the event got the better of Hamilton a little. but there has been a few instances in recent races where hese been forced to lift or yield when max has sent it. it was inevitable that they were going to clash at some point thats what happens when two great drivers clash. Rosberg and Hamilton were the same a few years back. there's arguments for both sides, maybe hamilton should have lifted but people have been saying hese lost his racers edge and doesn't take the risks anymore, clearly not true, its about time he got his elbows out like the rest of the field. maybe max should have thought about his championship position and yielded the place, he would have still have more of a lead in the championship and would have more than likely ended up winning the race anyway. but its racing at the end of the day if the shoe was on the other foot and max was on the inside it would of been the greatest move of all time and Hamilton would have more than likely still been second. 

[BenD]

7 minutes ago, Steve (sdh2903) said:

 

I think that is where Lewis is a far more rounded driver. If he had been in front and 35 points clear I think he'd have probably picked his battle elsewhere and lived to fight another lap. Whereas max doesn't seem to have that long game mentality. 

exactly my thoughts. a little more experience a few years down the line and it may have been a different outcome.

[BenD]

But the whole incident has got us all talking and its racing we want to see not a procession

[NigelO]

Check out Max's hand movements going into the corner (on Karun Chandok's review) and then see if Max can claim to be blameless

 

Also, Max has claimed that it was unsportsmanlike of Lewis to celebrate his win while Max lay in hospital. At least Lewis knew that Max was OK while he carried on racing. I don't seem to recall Max declining to celebrate his second position at Bahrain 2020 while Romain Grosjean's condition was uncertain (although I accept that Max wasn't involved in the incident that put Romain into the barrier).

 

Whinger Spice didn't do himself any favours, especially after he claimed that overtaking into Copse isn't acceptable. Plank.

[Nick Algar - Competition Secretary]

1 hour ago, Simon Waterfall Syman84 said:

"If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver.”

Racing incident for me, they were both really going for it that first lap and it could have happened in any of the corners up to this one. Not good is was such a big hit, but those are the risks.