Captain Colonial Posted June 29, 2021 Author Share Posted June 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, Steve (sdh2903) said: The big boys like nissan mentioned in the earlier post will always do alright as they are big enough and there will no doubt be a significant incentive from the government to invest here. ...the actual significant amount of future cash investment from the taxpayer to get Nissan to build the big factory has not been disclosed, and I’d been surprised if it was in my lifetime. Saying this news proves Brexit was right is like saying you were right to give your wallet to the mugger, but at least you still have your watch. Brexit may, in time, be proved to have been the right decision financially. Or maybe it won’t. But you can’t say yea or nay based on this one thing, because none of us know the whole picture - yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kit Car Electronics Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Steve (sdh2903) said: Genuine question. Has anyone in their day to day life either personally or professionally seen any benefits yet? Probably hard to tell so soon and with the pandemic. But personally I've only seen downsides, some pretty significant. The big boys like nissan mentioned in the earlier post will always do alright as they are big enough and there will no doubt be a significant incentive from the government to invest here. Please don't include the vaccine rollout as we could/would have gone the same way even if we were still a member. Our business is doing very well with both European sales and European shipping, but I really couldn't say whether that's due to Brexit or despite it, or even a side effect of Covid. As time progresses it will be difficult for some businesses to separate the confounded influences. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 There is so much to write in reply, but to be honest Maurici I would prefer to sit in a pub some day and discuss over a pint of English beer!.. I think it is impossible to explain in such a way in an open forum.. and for people who share the love of driving and Westfields to remain friends... because the written word can be misunderstood and then someone will take offence! As proven over the past few years this is a subject that divides people.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maurici Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Mole said: I would prefer to sit in a pub some day and discuss over a pint of English beer! See? this is precisely a topic I rather avoid in person,and much less with alcohol involved. When I´m writting I´m able to read back and contain myself... barely, but this rarely happens in person 😆 and this is a very sensitive topic for me as it will cost me A LOT of money and will directly impact to my retirement plan. For me has been pretty bad as I will struggle a lot to get a fair treatment when I sell my house and I bring the money back to spain... (cash that originaly came from spain and more than likely now will be taxed)... same with my savings and my future pension. But as you can see, I´ve left my personal situation aside in my previous post... the same I don´t care about the whole of uk as I´ll not be here forever and is a decision you´ve taken, the whole of UK doesn´t care about my personal unfair situation. The fact is that as I say in my last sentence, it must be two sides of the coin... and as I´ve said in my first sentence, I could not care less if is the right or the wrong decision for the country. However, the points I´ve written are facts. Delaying projects of british companies because there is no workers available can´t be a good thing. If a company that owns 8500hotel rooms in uk and could be sold out is only able to sell shy of 5000 because there is no workforce... can´t be a good thing. I know how good has been for my mates that used to work in leighton hospital, left due brexit, and came back earning twice the money... so again its been UK´s loss here (and this is a pretty nationwide situation). I know how much my mates are struggling to get stuff from kitcardirect, MK, Westfield, Caterham, Dunnel... because I do have to bl**** send it to Spain... so... for all the other people that doesn´t have maurici in uk ready to forward stuff and they have to buy in germany, or second hand in france to avoid the burden of dealing with customs or simply because the british company can´t be arsed to deal with it... Can´t be a good thing. I still have not found anybody telling me "mate, thanks to brexit, I´m doing better". It may be a masterplan behind it that is above my understanding... some sort of faith for the greater good or something, but till getting there, if ever, a lot of people will be f***** in the way to it. It sounds to me like the inmigration problem, wasn´t that much of a problem but a solution for the kind of jobs where the brits are to snob to do or there is simply not enough qualified people to do it (same that happens in spain with south americans and north africans not really a shame about it). All the other macro economics behind it, are pure fantasy for me and they have no sense if to achieve them you screw half of the population. Now, I´ll stop talking about the topic. I have avoided to talk about it in the forum or in person for that matter for the last 3 years, and today I was in the mood. I´m now back to stealing jobs, raping brides and eating kids... that is why I came here for in first instance 🤣 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve (sdh2903) Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 20 minutes ago, maurici said: I´m now back to stealing jobs, raping brides and eating kids... that is why I came here for in first instance 🤣 Best end to a post ever 😂 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsechris Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Nobody is ever going to be able to say if Brexit was a good idea or not - it's simply not possible as nobody can tell you what would have happened had the vote been for stay, any more than they can predict what will happen now. Sadly, the Mk1 Crystal Ball never made it to prototype stage. @Maurici. I hope I have this right. You came here because the financial sun was shining and you wanted to make some hay, yes? Great, good for you. The fact that the benefits and health system in this country is so f***** up it allows for multi-generation families of feckless work shy indigenes to thrive and multiply, and thus encourage workers from other countries to come here and fill the vacancies is a whole other issue - I've never had a problem with someone that wants to work for a living. As for the whole colonial thing, well, our forebears certainly screwed everybody over there, didn't they. Now a storm has rolled in. You are standing outside, p******** and moaning about the rain and shaking your fist at the clouds. Sorry mate, **** happens. Buy an umbrella or go somewhere the sun is shining for you would seem the two sensible choices. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maurici Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 50 minutes ago, corsechris said: @Maurici. I hope I have this right. You came here because the financial sun was shining and you wanted to make some hay, yes? Great, good for you. Yo have this completely wrong. I was making more money in spain. I came here because I recieved a desperated call from the company who employs me coz there where no thermal systems engineers available (and this is also the reason why I was doing well in spain too), and the prospect of a carreer in a luxury car manufacturing was looking much better than a tier 1 supplier in spain, and as a life experience. Money was not the decision, and I was hunted. I was not looking for work in uk. When I came, Sterling pount was at 1.41 vs euro, and earning some pounds while being in europe... kinda made sense. When I came early 2015 brexit was not a thing. At least not a known thing for us. Now I feel fooled and tricked in a situation that I didn´t need. When the brexit vote happened I tried to recover my former job in spain but was no possible. So.. yes. You got it wrong. And my personal situation, doesn´t really matters... If you go back to the my posts you will see that I´ve made no mention to it... or no moanings about it, so, why bring it up? I got lost in the colonial thing... may be my english is still not good enough. 50 minutes ago, corsechris said: Buy an umbrella or go somewhere the sun is shining for you would seem the two sensible choices. And this is work in progress, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 18 hours ago, maurici said: While it has not been as terrible as I was expecting for myself, and I dont give a flying fxxx if you want to sink your country as long as my job is left alone.. I almost stopped reading here. Brexit wasn't abut you. But lets carry on a bit... 18 hours ago, maurici said: but a lot of industries are struggling A LOT to fullfill the positions that have been left vacant by europeans no longer intersted in working here. Can you point me to the research in to this that has some empirical statistics covering the same questions pre and post Brexit? I'd like to have a read of that. News articles in The Guardian don't count... 18 hours ago, maurici said: A lot of NHS staff left leaving the NHS weaker than ever then pandemic hit. Again where are these numbers, and can we compare them to "narural wastage" pre Brexit/Covid to see the depth of the problem. 18 hours ago, maurici said: Hospitality- My partner manages a 500 people restaurant with about 150 permanent staff. Half of them were foreigners.Guess what. Not enough cheap foreigners have stayed in the country to cover the cheap positions and no brits want to work in thise jobs- the hotel had to shut half of its capacity because there is not enough staff... You're advocating that employers are right to take advantage of cheap foreign labour? Really? Has it been going on for so long that we now EXPECT all the "back office" jobs to be done by non-indiginous people? Lets get to engineering. I work for an engineering company. We've had our best year ever, despite both the pandemic and Brexit. Maybe we just have better people at the top. 18 hours ago, maurici said: Small bussines exports- im sending more kit car parts to spain than ever having to do shady shippings as many companies refuse to send to europe. Way too difficult? Unreliable, goods are held in customs way too often generating huge loses... Even caterham is being affected, let alone smaller specialised companies. A whole market lost. The market isn't lost. The paperwork has become a bit of a pain but it's not the huge problem some say it is. The EU for their part are seeming to be deliberately obstructive and must shoulder some of the responsibility for this. They had the opportunity to play nice. They chose petulance. Maybe these are their true colours? As ever with emotive subjects we are all guilty of listening to our own echo chamber and there is a propensity for confirmation bias. I'm as guilty of this as anyone on occasion, but I do try to find un-biased opinons so that I can post a link to the information as I blurt out my latest diatribe. I'd be interested to see some evidence that supports this opinion that everything is now worse. Some things are a bit worse, no doubt about it. It will improve with time. In the mean-time I'm with Corse-Chris... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsechris Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, maurici said: Yo have this completely wrong. I was making more money in spain. I came here because I recieved a desperated call from the company who employs me coz there where no thermal systems engineers available (and this is also the reason why I was doing well in spain too), and the prospect of a carreer in a luxury car manufacturing was looking much better than a tier 1 supplier in spain, and as a life experience. Money was not the decision, and I was hunted. I was not looking for work in uk. When I came, Sterling pount was a 1.41 vs euro, and earning some pounds while being in europe... kinda mades sense. When I came early 2015 brexit was not a thing. At least not a known thing for us. Now I feel fooled and tricked in a situation that I didn´t need. When the brexit vote happened I tried to recover my former job in spain but was no possible. So.. yes. You got it wrong. And my personal situation, doesn´t really matters... If you go back to the my posts you will see that I´ve made no mention to it... or no moanings about it, so, why bring it up? Apologies - I read "While it has not been as terrible as I was expecting for myself, and I dont give a flying fxxx if you want to sink your country as long as my job is left alone... i will not stay here forever..." and thought that sounded like a complaint. The job offer you had must have had some appeal or you wouldn't have taken it, surely? As I said, **** happens. Nobody ever said life would be fair either, I suspect a lot of us have had our plans scuppered by external circumstances or choices we made turning out to be unwise due to unforeseen changes. Brexit has happened and we all need to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve (sdh2903) Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Wow. Some f you jack I'm alright opinions on here this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 21 minutes ago, maurici said: Yo have this completely wrong. I was making more money in spain. I came here because I recieved a desperated call from the company who employs me coz there where no thermal systems engineers available (and this is also the reason why I was doing well in spain too), and the prospect of a carreer in a luxury car manufacturing was looking much better than a tier 1 supplier in spain, and as a life experience. Money was not the decision, and I was hunted. I was not looking for work in uk. When I came, Sterling pount was at 1.41 vs euro, and earning some pounds while being in europe... kinda made sense. When I came early 2015 brexit was not a thing. At least not a known thing for us. Now I feel fooled and tricked in a situation that I didn´t need. When the brexit vote happened I tried to recover my former job in spain but was no possible. So.. yes. You got it wrong. And my personal situation, doesn´t really matters... If you go back to the my posts you will see that I´ve made no mention to it... or no moanings about it, so, why bring it up? I got lost in the colonial thing... may be my english is still not good enough. And this is work in progress, thanks. Cognitive disonance anyone? You mention that an unknown issue in 2015 now impacts you and feel you've been tricked into a situation. Tricked by who exactly? I definitely read your last two posts as a moan and a fair bit of it is personal, as if Brexit was aimed at deliberately making your life difficult. You say "your personal situation doesn't matter yet your first sentence was I don't vare about Brexit as long as mu job is laft alone. Make your mind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Steve (sdh2903) said: Wow. Some f you jack I'm alright opinions on here this morning. Sums up Maurici's position perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve (sdh2903) Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 I wasn't talking about mauricis post either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maurici Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, Blatman said: Can you point me to the research in to this that has some empirical statistics covering the same questions pre and post Brexit? I'd like to have a read of that. News articles in The Guardian don't count... I guess my next post where I poin you to some facts I happen to live don´t really count I won´t answer the rest, as comes on about the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsechris Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 For clarity, if I can manage that! My comment about our collective colonial pasts was the mess European nations made of the world with our rampant greed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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