cast iron Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Mark (smokey mow) said: This is factually incorrect. it is only cars that are fuelled solely by petrol and diesel that will be banned. They’ll be plenty of hybrid cars for years to come and not to mention commercial vehicles, motorcycles and agricultural vehicles that this ban doesn’t affect. yes the role of the filling station will change but they’re not going to vanish overnight or for many decades to come. is it not the internal combustion engine ICE which is banned from sale? id love to know how a hybrid will work without one of them?? As for fuel stations disappearing in my old home town i reckon 50% have disappeared in past 20 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsechris Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 I don’t see too many diesel car owners doing anything other than moan about the taxation they get now, compared to enthusing about the breaks that got them into a diesel in the first place. Like the free Tesla supercharging that was never going to last, the current incentives for EVs won’t either. It’s basic carrot and stick. Nowt new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsechris Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, cast iron said: is it not the internal combustion engine ICE which is banned from sale? id love to know how a hybrid will work without one of them?? As for fuel stations disappearing in my old home town i reckon 50% have disappeared in past 20 years From 2030 no new cars powered solely by ICE, hybrids (that will have to meet criteria for mpg and EV only range) allowed until 2035. At present anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 53 minutes ago, corsechris said: FWIW, I've been of the view that pay-per-mile is by far the fairest way, but then I would say that given I do so few miles and always have. Next best way would be putting it on the fuel (whatever that fuel may be) Fuel cost per litre is around 60% tax already. How much more "pay-per-mile" do we really need? The road tax thing is simply a way for HMG to keep tabs on numbers of cars, who owns/keeps them and where they are kept etc, to allow them to plan transport and road use, not that there is any evidence of an effective transport plan, but I digress... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsechris Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Blatman said: Fuel cost per litre is around 60% tax already. How much more "pay-per-mile" do we really need? The road tax thing is simply a way for HMG to keep tabs on numbers of cars, who owns/keeps them and where they are kept etc, to allow them to plan transport and road use, not that there is any evidence of an effective transport plan, but I digress... RFL is also a way to punish the more polluting vehicles and encourage the others. My Jeep ran on lpg and fid typically about 2k miles a year, yet still cost me £570 RFL. Not really ‘fair’, but then I’ve never expected life to be fair. My current hybrid is zero RFL and to date is doing about 180 mpg on the petrol it uses. Don’t know how much electricity it’s used, but I try to make sure most of that comes from my own roof. Doing less than 2k miles per year so that feels fair to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonjh1964 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 HMRC EV VAT Rate Government has just confirmed 20% VAT Rate for non-domestic EV charging points. Even without an EV my domestic supply is very close to the 1,000 KWatts/month 'de minimis' limit for 5% rate to apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsechris Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 40 minutes ago, BigSkyBrad said: Well, they weren't the responses I was expecting - given that it had been written as a tongue-in-cheek stab at H&S nowadays! The H&S angle on that piece made me chuckle too. I kind of get where they were going with it to a point, but it would be interesting to know just how many petrol forecourt accidents there have been over the years. I'd imagine it's pretty small percentage of visits that lead to conflagrations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSkyBrad Posted June 21, 2021 Author Share Posted June 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, corsechris said: interesting to know just how many petrol forecourt accidents there have been over the years Back home in NZ, many years ago in Auckland there was an explosion as someone was welding a no-smoking sign at a petrol station! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Till Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Hydrogen anyone? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard (OldStager) Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 hour ago, corsechris said: Telematics will be compulsory on new cars in the E u from October I think it is, so you can bet we will get them as well. That’s all that’s needed to take care of charging for road use. FWIW, I've been of the view that pay-per-mile is by far the fairest way, but then I would say that given I do so few miles and always have. Next best way would be putting it on the fuel (whatever that fuel may be). i dont know if they still do this, but in france were my uncle moved to, the french didnt have road tax, instead the raised the cost of fuel, which for me makes far more sense, so the more you drive a wear out the roads the more you paid to repair them. far fairer a system to our one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard (OldStager) Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Warren Till said: Hydrogen anyone? agreed, but there are multiple issues regarding manufacture and then storage which have still be ironed out, but yes that really has to be the way forward for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pistonbroke Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Time to bring back the trolley bus ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard (OldStager) Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 i live near blackpool, we still have those... except we call them trams... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsechris Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 25 minutes ago, Warren Till said: Hydrogen anyone? Not for cars. Trucks boats and just possibly aircraft, maybe, but we’d need significantly more green electricity generation to make it viable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard (OldStager) Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Just now, corsechris said: Not for cars. Trucks boats and just possibly aircraft, maybe, but we’d need significantly more green electricity generation to make it viable. why not cars chris, for my reasons above... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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