Steve (sdh2903) Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 And you end up getting sunburnt in the garage Quite surprising that some of these led units consume nearly as much juice as flo tubes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIY-Si Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 I'd suggest the LED panels too, as I have them in my garage and love them. The units I have are less than 10mm thick, so give maximum ceiling height, and 600mm x 600mm. Dead simple to wire in in place of existing tube lights. I have 8 panels in my 9M x 3ishM garage, and whilst I may put something extra over the workbench for dedicated task lighting, the rest is like daylight! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowy892 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Where did you get these panel lights from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man On The Clapham Omnibus Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 There may be many different Chinese makers of those panels, but I bought some for my kitchen when I moved here nine years ago - very good, low consumption lights they certainly are. But they make FM radio impossible to listen to due to electro-magnetic interference (EMI). Most people who complain about LEDs interfering with radio have problems with DAB being blocked, but my DAB kitchen radio is working well with them. Obviously a garage is not somewhere that radio reception is critical, but if your garage is integral with your house you might find it penetrates into your living space. It isn't the light units themselves that generate the EMI, but the switch-mode power units that drive them. I hope that in the intervening years some progress has been made in shielding or suppression, but I won't hold my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsechris Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 27 minutes ago, Man On The Clapham Omnibus said: There may be many different Chinese makers of those panels, but I bought some for my kitchen when I moved here nine years ago - very good, low consumption lights they certainly are. But they make FM radio impossible to listen to due to electro-magnetic interference (EMI). Most people who complain about LEDs interfering with radio have problems with DAB being blocked, but my DAB kitchen radio is working well with them. Obviously a garage is not somewhere that radio reception is critical, but if your garage is integral with your house you might find it penetrates into your living space. It isn't the light units themselves that generate the EMI, but the switch-mode power units that drive them. I hope that in the intervening years some progress has been made in shielding or suppression, but I won't hold my breath. A consequence of buying cheap Chinese crap!! The CE mark is supposed(!) to show that a product complies with applicable regulations. For a light unit with a switching PSU, that would include EMI of course....but not for China Export, for them, CE just means it came from China.... We brought it on ourselves though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evosteve Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 If you have good serviceable tube fittings it may be worth looking at LED tube replacements. Saves rewiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man On The Clapham Omnibus Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 15 hours ago, corsechris said: A consequence of buying cheap Chinese crap!! The CE mark is supposed(!) to show that a product complies with applicable regulations. For a light unit with a switching PSU, that would include EMI of course....but not for China Export, for them, CE just means it came from China.... We brought it on ourselves though. I agree about cheap Chinese crap and I try as much as possible - particularly of late - to avoid Chinese products. Of course it's impossible to completely purge the range of purchases, but one can only try. This link is to a conversation on the Which? magazine forum and it deals with LED lighting interfering with radio and TV reception. Sadly many apparently respectable UK and European manufacturers source their products from China, a fact that only becomes apparent once the item is received. My Bosch toaster is a case in point. My contribution to the Which? forum is under the 'motco' monniker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsechris Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 It's depressing really isn't it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man On The Clapham Omnibus Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 28 minutes ago, corsechris said: It's depressing really isn't it It is depressing. I used to work for Hoover at head office in Perivale many years ago, and they were a very good firm to work for and the products sold well. The along came John Bloom with the Rolls Razor Co. cheap twin tub washing machine at a big discount compared with Hoover's one. That's when the rot started for Hoover. The infamous free flights debacle pretty well sank the already ailing operation and cost £20 million, and now they are an offshoot of Candy. Later in my career I worked for GKN Sankey and they too have shrunk to a fraction of their former size. Maybe it's me... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SootySport Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 On 26/03/2021 at 11:56, Steve (sdh2903) said: Am a little confused the led replacement tubes say from screwfix say that they kick out around 1800 to 2000 Lumens. Yet the current sylvania tubes that I have are over 5000 lumens. Yet people are saying they make a massive difference?? Are people swapping them for really old knackered tubes? Id swap for proper led units but am not sure I'd bother with fitting led tubes. Old flourescent tubes fade with age so don't live up to their original lumen rating when old but LEDs don't, they just flicker before they die. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIY-Si Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 On 16/03/2022 at 10:51, snowy892 said: Where did you get these panel lights from? Sorry, only just seen this. Mine came from a friend who is a sparky, but the 600mm square panels are a standard commercial size for panel ceilings and can be had from loads of places, including screwfix. They cost £20-25 each, usually, but don't come with any mounting hardware. Many of them can be bought with a mounting frame, but when I was looking the frame was the same cost as the light unit! I used cheap fixing brackets to fix mine. Some needed self tapping screws to fix the bracket to the frame, and some were bolts as they had captive nuts: It's not a sexy way to mount the lights, but at 20p or so for a fixing that is hard to see on a ceiling, I didn't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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