DonPeffers Posted November 10, 2020 Author Share Posted November 10, 2020 I note your opinion JIm. Why did https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-motorists-told-insurance-might-be-invalid-for-non-essential-trips-during-lockdown-12128401 report, NOT quote the name of the ABI spokesman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAFKARM Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Why not email the editor and ask? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan France Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Rush Momosport said: Why not email the editor and ask? Good luck with that, you will get a standard response from Viewer Relations at Sky (ViewerR@sky.uk) I have written to editors, journalists, management team and others over the years, especially during Brexit, they acknowledge your complaint and then generate this. ... Please be assured your comments have been noted and passed onto our Sky News Editorial team for their information. We always welcome customers' comments, and actively encourage viewers to voice their opinions. For all the latest news from the UK and around the world please see - www.skynews.com or download the Sky News App for free onto a smart phone or tablet. Thanks, once again, for taking the time to contact Sky. Kind regards, Laura Viewer Relations ... That said I would always ask, or complain, on the basis we put up with far too much poor reporting and bad service in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_l Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 4 hours ago, DonPeffers said: Why did https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-motorists-told-insurance-might-be-invalid-for-non-essential-trips-during-lockdown-12128401 report, NOT quote the name of the ABI spokesman? I don't know, Don, and I don't care, the original article you posted referred to 'a Uswitch expert' didn't it? The press are now referring to 'A spokesman for ABI' , I know which of those I would ask! On 09/11/2020 at 15:52, DonPeffers said: So is the quote attributed to Specialist motoring lawyer Nick Freeman bogus? Unlikely to be 'bogus' but for a lawyer, his interpretation of the law is fundamentally flawed... He said - “Essential travel is largely defined as shopping for necessities, picking up medical supplies, caring for a vulnerable person and getting to and from work if you cannot do so from home.” He added: “Anything else is not really acceptable. This is a patently inaccurate summary of the law. Some people do need to check their cover during lockdown, if, for example you use your car instead of the train, and your policy doesn't include commuting. For me this article was a blatant misrepresentation of that point, scaremongering, to get clicks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonPeffers Posted November 10, 2020 Author Share Posted November 10, 2020 Thinking back a good few years I recall driving in my kit car from Ambleside over Wrynose Pass, then over Hardknott Pass and down the dead end road to Wast Water (very scenic). Going back many decades I bicycled these hills. Now imagine I was going from Ambleside to Ravenglass on an 'essential journey' but on the way back took the scenic turn off to Wast Water (just a jolly) before coming back but then had an accident. I wonder how the insurer would view the unnecessary detour on the dead end road? To try and get some clarity I looked up ABI hub coronavirus website but was confused to find https://www.abi.org.uk/products-and-issues/topics-and-issues/coronavirus-hub/ " Last updated: 11 November 2020 The spread of Coronavirus is an unprecedented global crisis. Insurers know this is an incredibly difficult time for families and businesses as people seek to make the right decisions for their own health and that of their family." So their website now at 18.38 hrs on 10 nov 2020 is showing date as 11 nov 2020?? Clicking on car insurance does lead to... "If I drive during the lockdown period, will my insurance be invalidated? Your cover will not be affected if you drive during the lockdown period. However, all motorists should follow Government advice and avoid non-essential travel." Seems clear and the ABI spokesman could have pointed the public in this direction. Unsure why a £10,000 a day motoring lawyer would be wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, DonPeffers said: Unsure why a £10,000 a day motoring lawyer would be wrong! Not letting the truth get in the way of free advertising... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonPeffers Posted November 10, 2020 Author Share Posted November 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Blatman said: Not letting the truth get in the way of free advertising... Is he advertising his own incompetence or (a) you cannot do this... but (b) if you do, then engage me and I know a way 'round the problem? Any idea Blatters why the ABI website is currently dated one day ahead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Perfect example of the critical thinking I mentioned earlier. I doubt many Sun/Mirror/Star/Mail/Express readers would even consider the first option and assume that as he's a famous and rich(!) lawyer, everything he says about the law must be true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kit Car Electronics Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 I think you chaps worry too much 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 As Craig mentioned back on page 1, I'm sure we could all find a way to justify a journey that fits within the guidelines if that was what we wanted to. The issue here is the juxtaposition with the intent of the guidelines and the latitude that is applied to them which makes them essentially unworkable if one applies a little imagination. Add to that the lack of actual primary legislation to back them up and it is clear (to me at least) that the aforementioned non-thinkers will obey (nothing wrong with that) and those of us who might want to do a little more than obey have options that whilst they might be considered in breach of the guidelines, would seem to have little consequence in law. Either way, it's a BIG so what... The only consequence we should be interested in is the one that affects our health and the health of those around us. If I decide to drive my Westfield for leisure, alone or with my bubble, without coming into close contact with others, wearing a mask (and I also wear gloves when outside) at the petrol station or at Starbucks drive-thru or wherever, there is no jeopardy to health and the guidelines for preventing the spread are still intact. And whenever I leave the man-cave, my over-riding thought is how might this journey affect my potential exposure and what can I do to mitigate that. Gloves/mask/social distance/wash my hands. Easy. The difference is the nay-sayer tabloid reading FaceTwits expect that risk to be mitigated by the government even though they refuse to abide by the guidelines and will pay no thought to the INTENT of the guidelines, irrespective of how clumsily they are presented and justified. The ironies abound... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_l Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Kit Car Electronics said: I think you chaps worry too much 🙂 ...Might be the case that we can be overly analytical sometimes 😟 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonPeffers Posted November 11, 2020 Author Share Posted November 11, 2020 22 hours ago, Blatman said: No, there are HUGE numbers of people who will simply obey without questioning too deeply. Seems that ship has sailed if BBC news is correct with report car use dropped 13% at start of first lockdown but only 3% at start of 2nd. Public either fed-up with the rules or seen through them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 If said by the bbc then can and should be discarded. Was massive reduction on first lockdown around here and even this time is really noticeable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan France Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Could there be any possibility that famous lawyer may not have actually said what famous lawyer is being quoted as saying. Perish the thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonPeffers Posted November 11, 2020 Author Share Posted November 11, 2020 Seems all journalism is lies and Trump did win 😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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