CraigHew Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 So, as widely reported in the digital press, the stay home, protect the NHS, save lives message is to be dropped and replaced with: Stay alert, control the virus, save lives..... If confirmed by BoJo today I'm taking that as "westfield blatting" season starts.... Here's hoping... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Seems an odd choice of words and many will debate for weeks. For the normal amongst us we will understand it's just another phase. But I can see the anger building already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonPeffers Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 And cycle to work so the next slogan (seen elsewhere) might be.....save our NHS from all the bike crashes and head injuries in A&E (or broken collarbones). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Have any of you had a read of the "Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020"? Given that there's not much to do, and I like a legal document(!) I had a look... Section 6 deals with the stuff we are most likely to want to do which is go out. Yes we must have a "reasonable excuse" which is laid out in section 6 Paragraph 1. Whilst the message from the briefings has been "you may go out once a day" this is ADVICE not LAW. The law sets out no such restriction (Para 6 section 2b). Likewise shopping for "essential items". There is no prescribed list of essential items so we can buy what we want, whenever we want. Furthermore there is no restriction on how far we can drive to do any of these things. Section M is interesting. It states you may go out "to avoid injury or illness or to escape a risk of harm." Going out for a drive, on your own, with no intention of getting out of the car could be to avoid the mental illness of being cooped up for weeks BUT if you're pulled you may get a ticket and to fight it means a day in court... http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350/regulation/6 The police of course are busy enforcing the ADVICE safe in the knowledge that 99.999999% of people won't argue or challenge any penalty in court, where it should be challenged! That's not to say the ADVICE isn't good advice. The less we expose ourselves to other people, the less chance there is for transmission which is stating the blinkin' obvious. Many people are hanging on to the "most people will experience no, or mild symptoms" but there is no way to know. And it is the majority of asymptomatic people we have to be careful about as they are all potential "Typhoid Mary's", especially if they are of the arrogant type who decide to ignore the advice because they don't believe it's real (came across one guy yesterday who believed it either wasn't real or it was real and is a population control exercise. He was failing to observe social distancing in a shop until I rounded on him, but that's another story...) or because they are of the "we have the right to freedom" type. Morons... So, if people want to go for a drive there is nothing in LAW to stop you as long as you are driving for a proscribed reason. Driving 200 miles for a loaf of bread is not prohibited in LAW. It may be against the spirit of the law but that's not enforceable. But the Police believe otherwise and few have the stomach to actually stand up for their rights when they are genuinely impinged. The law is not a belief system... Now, the following video is made by someone who it could be said has a possible axe to grind with the cops...! OK, fine. But that doesn't make him wrong about the legal issues he raises. If you want to avoid the somewhat anti-police sentiment skip to 2:50 and listen carefully to what he has to say. The chart in the video as about 4 mins is this one: 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonPeffers Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 On 10/05/2020 at 09:17, CraigHew said: So, as widely reported in the digital press, the stay home, protect the NHS, save lives message is to be dropped and replaced with: Stay alert, control the virus, save lives..... If confirmed by BoJo today I'm taking that as "westfield blatting" season starts.... Here's hoping... Westfield blatting season does indeed now resume BUT only in England. Dominic Raab: Driving trips not limited, provided rules observed. There are no specific limits on distances drivers can travel within one of the UK nations under the new rules, Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab has said. "You can drive as far as you want to, for example to walk in a park or particular area you're fond of, as long as you maintain the social distancing," he tells BBC Breakfast. 8.28am today. It seems the powers that be in the three other Home Nations don't fully understand the wrath of the westie pensioner voter. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 All seems sensible to me but many in social media are having a fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Colonial Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 22 minutes ago, Arm said: but many in social media are having a fit. That is the very definition of social media - somewhere to have a public fit. 🙄 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigHew Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 P27 of govt 60 page plan. OUR PLAN TO REBUILD: The UK Government’s COVID-19 recovery strategy "People may drive to outdoor open spaces irrespective of distance, so long as they respect social distancing guidance while they are there, because this does not involve contact with people outside your household." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Colonial Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Just found out my parole date from the extremely vulnerable group has been moved from 15 June to 30 June at the earliest. No blatting for me for a while longer... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 I don't know why I look at Facebook. There is a comment on their from someone who thinks Boris should ensure the loos are open at the places she wants to walk her dog and why can't the govnm get that right. I can't believe what I'm reading. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 13 hours ago, DonPeffers said: Westfield blatting season does indeed now resume BUT only in England. Dominic Raab: Driving trips not limited, provided rules observed. And the rules remain that to be outside must be for exercise, shopping, support or assistance to a vulnerable person or medical. Thise restrictions have not been lifted. So no, blatting for the sake of it cannot happen. Blatting to the shops 200 miles away or for a walk around the lake district is allowed, and in fact always was in spite of what the police thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigHew Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 6 hours ago, Blatman said: And the rules remain that to be outside must be for exercise, shopping, support or assistance to a vulnerable person or medical. Thise restrictions have not been lifted. So no, blatting for the sake of it cannot happen. Blatting to the shops 200 miles away or for a walk around the lake district is allowed, and in fact always was in spite of what the police thought. I disagree. Those were the rules for phase 1. On 13th may we will move to phase 2, where by definition new rules replace those on phase 1. From the 50 page strategy document again: Page 31: SAGE advise that the risk of infection outside is significantly lower than inside, so the Government is updating the rules so that, as well as exercise, people can now also spend time outdoors subject to: not meeting up with any more than one person from outside your household; continued compliance with social distancing guidelines to remain two metres (6ft) away from people outside your household; good hand hygiene, particularly with respect to shared surfaces; and those responsible for public places being able to put appropriate measures in place to follow the new COVID-19 Secure guidance. People may exercise outside as many times each day as they wish. For example, this would include angling and tennis. You will still not be able to use areas like playgrounds, outdoor gyms or ticketed outdoor leisure venues, where there is a higher risk of close contact and touching surfaces. You can only exercise with up to one person from outside your household – this means you should not play team sports, except with members of your own household. People may drive to outdoor open spaces irrespective of distance, so long as they respect social distancing guidance while they are there, because this does not involve contact with people outside your household. When travelling to outdoor spaces, it is important that people respect the rules in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and do not travel to different parts of the UK where it would be Inconsistent with guidance or regulations issued by the relevant devolved administration. These measures may come with some risk; it is important that everyone continues to act responsibly, as the large majority have done to date. The infection rate will increase if people begin to break these rules and, for example, mix in groups in parks, which will trigger the need for further restrictions. So, the rules have been relaxed from 13th, the first paragraph above confirms this. 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Kinder (Bagpuss) - Joint Peak District AO Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Interesting viewpoint from the motorbiking community:https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2020/may/can-i-ride-motorcycle-during-coronavirus-pandemic?fbclid=IwAR2BVvwoANhBwBgxzPjqp_UFka85SucC-9BLDlI1G_eIrQ1XJetJ-vbAOR8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelO Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 46 minutes ago, Ian Kinder (Bagpuss) - Joint Peak District AO said: Interesting viewpoint from the motorbiking community:https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2020/may/can-i-ride-motorcycle-during-coronavirus-pandemic?fbclid=IwAR2BVvwoANhBwBgxzPjqp_UFka85SucC-9BLDlI1G_eIrQ1XJetJ-vbAOR8 A very level-headed article - but it clearly states that while it believes "leisure rides" are permissible, group rides are not, as it involves meeting up with more than one other person. So - while there's a strong chance the Westie will be out as soon as I get my painted bits back 🙂 it looks like I'll be doing it on my own 😞 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 It’s a great article, but I suspect from the number of times groups of screaming bike engines have been auditable in the distance in the last few weeks, it will fall on a large number of deaf ears. The problem with such loud and very visible “ambassadors” for the biking fraternity is they tar everyone with the same brush, even though they’re hopefully a very small minority. (And as I discovered myself, in the early days of restrictions, in some people’s eyes, they tar us, too!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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