Can the 'lockdown' work much longer?

[Blatman]

1 minute ago, Arm said:

Yes thanks. She has had an early night,  just gone up . Back working in the pharmacy tomorrow. At least that has settled a bit in recent weeks . Was grim at the start of CV outbreak. Not sure if id have managed as well as she did. She doesn't watch the news which I think helps ! I'm sat there ranting at the BBC and Laura.

 

Great to hear. I always knew she was the level headed one in the family

 

Don't get me started (again) on the quality of journalism at the moment. They should all be ashamed of themselves. That's why I'm sticking to Acts of Parliament for my facts  

[Arm]

You may have seen this pic  already. The press outside DCs house . There is a full video. Why isn't this getting investigated 

[Blatman]

2 hours ago, jeff oakley said:

imagine a 1 bed flat with no outdoors being allowed out an hour a day? Prison reformers moan about that.

 

Hey Jeff, guess where I live?  

But my front door works, and the LAW has always allowed me (and everyone else) to go out as much as I want and as often as I want, so there's no problem.

Yes the guidelines served a purpose. People confused them with law and obeyed. But they also said that when you go out you must maintain social distancing, which I do. So why does going out more than once change anything if one stays away from people? I actually enjoy staying away from people and there are plenty of folks on here who will tell you they enjoy staying away from me...    

[Arm]

Yep

[Blatman]

43 minutes ago, Arm said:

You may have seen this pic  already. The press outside DCs house . There is a full video. Why isn't this getting investigated 

 

No haven't seen that. But I'm sharing it with as many people as I can!!!

Comedy gold.

Watch all the "proper" news saying "it wasn't us" or "they were freelancers" or something...

 

[Arm]

The full video is floating around, they even follow him. 

[jeff oakley]

50 minutes ago, Blatman said:

 

Hey Jeff, guess where I live?  

But my front door works, and the LAW has always allowed me (and everyone else) to go out as much as I want and as often as I want, so there's no problem.

Yes the guidelines served a purpose. People confused them with law and obeyed. But they also said that when you go out you must maintain social distancing, which I do. So why does going out more than once change anything if one stays away from people? I actually enjoy staying away from people and there are plenty of folks on here who will tell you they enjoy staying away from me...    

 

 Thats the issue for me, the law said it was okay to do exactly what you did, the media and now the self appointed Facebook experts are saying we were told to stay in so any deviation is wrong. 

 

And there has been so much of the message that as the lock down is going to be lifted more and more people are saying they will stay at home as they are scared. We have a long way to go on this before we get anywhere near normal

[Blatman]

4 minutes ago, jeff oakley said:

the self appointed Facebook experts are saying we were told to stay in so any deviation is wrong. 

 

Telling people they are wrong never goes down well. Backing it up with facts is similar to dabbling in the dark arts these days. And of course journalists these days never let the facts interfere with a good story.

And the fear is because people still believe in Facebook nonsense. It absolutely boggles the mind. They (for I am not one of them thank goodness) are doing it to themselves and blaming everyone else because no-one takes personal responsibility for anything.  

 

I was pointed to two articles earlier today. I'm not sure about either one of them (need to do some fact checking) but they present an interesting set of perspectives.

 

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/22/nothing-can-justify-this-destruction-of-peoples-lives/

 

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/15/we-could-open-up-again-and-forget-the-whole-thing/

[Jim RS]

Herd mentality, just goes to show the Human Race is not as civilized as we like to think we are😳

[Captain Colonial]

14 hours ago, jeff oakley said:

Now Cheltenham, over the whole event there was over 250,000 attended and around 5000 each day working there. There was not an explosion of cases directly from there or in the Cheltenham area so the decision to allow it to go ahead was correct. And as many of you will know a big section of the crowd come from Ireland for the event and they have had just 1600 deaths and 25000 confirmed cases so overall very small and from what I can find out no one there is claiming Cheleteham as a source.

Coronavirus: Sports events in March 'caused increased suffering and death'

[jeff oakley]

2 hours ago, Captain Colonial said:

Coronavirus: Sports events in March 'caused increased suffering and death'

 

Yes a snappy headline from a person who is making headlines. According to the local papers as of this morning these were the total deaths in the whole of Gloucestershire. As you can see unsurprisingly  the two biggest areas have had the most deaths but the vast majority will not have been at the festival yet quietly sat in a care home. These figures do not seem too far out of kilter for similar areas where they did not have a festival

Gloucester - 398

Cheltenham - 318

Stroud - 195

Tewkesbury - 180

Cotswolds - 154

Forest of Dean - 109

 

It is telling that a person who is science based would use a phrase "people will have probably died prematurely" because of the decision to allow it to go ahead. either they did or did not one is a fact this is opinion.

 

Now he can claim that by holding the event it spread wider around the country but so far there hasn't been any facts to support the claim with tales of huge swathes of people getting it whilst there, but they could have easily caught it elsewhere and just happened to have been there as well.

 

It is a mine field where it would appear we have a a vast array of experts, not asked by the government to contribute, contradicting at every opportunity and not helping.

 

We need the lock down to have a controlled end and some science to how far the distancing should be, not the one we have a the moment, In many parts of the Eu they are saying 1 metre is the right space, is the virus we have a stronger version that can jump further perhaps?

 

I understand people's fears and with a Daughter who is an anesthetist in Birmingham some are more real than others, but until there is a vaccine we need to live with this  

[Blatman]

8 minutes ago, jeff oakley said:

It is a mine field where it would appear we have a a vast array of experts, not asked by the government to contribute, contradicting at every opportunity and not helping.

 

Possibly all with an eye on bagging future funding. Whichever opinion appears right can be put as supporting evidence in an application.

Cynical? Moi? Oh yes...  

[Alan France]

I see the Swiss Government are taking a slightly different approach.

 

Judo and Ballroom dancing remains banned but from June sex workers can begin to offer their services.

[Man On The Clapham Omnibus]

How will they do that, exactly? 

[corsechris]

Apropos the Cheltenham Festival, I’ve no idea if it was any different this year, but historically, it draws folk from very far and wide, with a particular attraction for those from the Emerald Isle. You can’t get a hotel room in the surrounding area for the whole week, they’ve all been pre-booked, usually years ahead. There’s also a lot of additional helicopter traffic for the week. The training centre I used to work at near Evesham used to effectively come to a halt as we had nowhere for delegates to stay.

 

It’s hard to believe it wouldn’t have had some impact on spreading the virus, but how one could possibly hope to ‘track and trace’ that lot.....

 

I was very surprised they let it happen TBH