Arm Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 I can understand public opinion. And if he has broken the law then he should be charged. I'm not at the moment sure what that law might be. DonPeffers the situation in the south of the UK at that time was get yourself to a hospital for testing at a designated time. That happened to be some distance away. No postal was available or offered. I don't see an issue with different areas of the UK having different restrictions . In fact it makes sense to me. I'm not in the least bit put out by someone getting their children to a safer place. The decision process may or may not have been ideal but we don't know the full facts. We have used the sports car to go shopping and it has not been an issue. There is no restriction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsechris Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 16 minutes ago, Blatman said: I appreciate that. But the court of public opinion, in this (these) case(s) would be better served by a press who could visit their indignation whilst also ensuring that the law is accurately reported as well. The story is easily framed as an opinion piece, and politicos like nothing less than a critical opinion piece. But they don't make good click-bait headlines so they reach for sensationalism which serves no-one well. I totally agree. Sadly, the old adage that you never let facts get in the way of a good story has never been more true, or overworked, as now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 If the initial government recommendation had been "we are in a bit if a pickle chaps can we all lay low for a bit to stop the nhs getting overloaded. Restrict your travel to all but essential if you don't mind " I'd have understood that and done exactly as I have and most of the UK would have done the same. But no a few needed to find find loopholes find someone to blame find some fault. Then the apparent confusion with a message saying 'stay alert' confused those who wanted needed and were looking to be confused. Id have understood. " things are a bit better chaps, stand a bit easier but don't drop your guard too much, wot ho bit of a bind wasnt it" Anyway thats my light hearted take on it. Don't take this seriously if you don't want to. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsechris Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Watched a thing about how South Korea have handled the situation and there was a stage where one city had a potentially serious outbreak. The authorities wanted to lock it down but there was a large public outcry. They decided to simply ask the populace to stay put, and they did. Sadly, I just can’t see the UK population doing that. Neither can I see us accepting the track & trace system they used in SK either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 I sadly agree Chris. I guess most would comply but there would be such a fuss over those that didn't we'd soon believe no one did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim RS Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 hour ago, corsechris said: Watched a thing about how South Korea have handled the situation and there was a stage where one city had a potentially serious outbreak. The authorities wanted to lock it down but there was a large public outcry. They decided to simply ask the populace to stay put, and they did. Sadly, I just can’t see the UK population doing that. Neither can I see us accepting the track & trace system they used in SK either. So true, all the countries have handled this epidemic in slightly different ways and most have had to cater for the reactions the population would agree with. Hindsight is a magical creature and every one concerned would have adjusted their reactions to reduce the impact this has had on them. The big turning point I feel for the UK was allowing Cheltenham races to proceed but imagine the outcry if it had been cancelled with the ensuing backlash from the amount of world wide condemnation, especially if the disease had been as controllable as WHO first advised. I know of 4 people around this local area that contracted Covid-19 from Cheltenham so what about the rest of the Country or World. Even Germany admitted they had been lucky with the control having over ordered on medical equipment and possessing a large percentage of the essential pharmaceutical suppliers on their doorstep so were able to act harshly and quickly. We will all have to give up freedom of movement to obtain control levels enough to negate this virus especially if a vaccine is slow or not to be available and certainly as only a minute amount of the worldwide population has been infected. We will defeat this but sacrifices are required perhaps leaving a multi staged society, those who are less vulnerable able to take the risk and those who need to be shielded being high risk potential, so for some the "lockdown" will continue indefinitely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Good points. If its so obvious to everyone except the government that Cheltenham shouldn't have happened why did 'everyone' still go ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonPeffers Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Blatman said: And yet not one of these "law makers" have suggested, much less shown a copy of the actual law. If that was me, I would point to the actual legislation (which I have done many times before) and ask the press to point out which part of it I had breached... 4 hours ago, corsechris said: @DonPeffers surely there is nothing stopping you from taking the Westy when you go shopping for essentials?? I know it’s not a proper blat, but it’s something. We’ve been using ours for the shopping runs since taxing it this momth. Blatman, I haven't yet heard anyone saying a law has been broken. BBC's Iain Watson asked at today's Downing St. press conference on covid 'if someone has covid symptoms and no family members for childcare nearby is it within the lockdown guidelines for them to drive 250 miles to obtain family support'? Still unclear to me as I don't think a proper answer was given and surely DC as a member of the Government can summon assistance in a crisis. Thanks corsechris but with my arthritis once I'm in the westie I like a long run and then struggle out when I get home so food shop run with the westie would be more pain than pleasure, although I have considered it. I misunderstood Arm's post re. testing as a fairly recent test, as test kits have been posted out since 30 April. France has a regional approach to easing lockdown based on geographical R number and as long as the government messaging is clear then the populace should be OK with it. If the UK R number increases and we get a 2nd wave of covid I can be sure I've not contributed by taking chances as I'm only out of the house once a week for food shop and when I get home I take my once a week shot of 63% rum to kill any virus that might have entered my throat. So far so good as with my asthma if I get covid I reckon I'm done for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 DonP this was in last week . Maybe his situation required a quick test hence no postal offered. So he had a long drive to Portsmouth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 63 percent rum a good idea. It's not supposed to work that well according to some but when I had nasty symptoms in March it most certainly helped. And was better than anything else I took. If that hadn't worked a mate had some 90 percent proof and I was going to try that. We both think we had symptoms and await the test when available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonPeffers Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 Fergus Walsh: 'I was gobsmacked to test positive for coronavirus antibodies' today https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52762939 He's not sure when he had it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 53 minutes ago, DonPeffers said: within the lockdown guidelines for them to drive 250 miles to obtain family support'? Guidelines spouted from a podium in a press conference are not enforceable as law. The law makes no mention of limiting distance that can be traveled for the reasons stated in the law. Cummings, love him or loathe him, didn't break the law. The court of public opinion will have it's say but that isn't legally binding in any court I am aware of. The press see a pressure point and they love to cause a resignation at the heart of government whether it'd be a god thing or not. They just want to show have power. But power without responsibility is very bad for everyone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kit Car Electronics Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 10 hours ago, DonPeffers said: Fergus Walsh: 'I was gobsmacked to test positive for coronavirus antibodies' today https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52762939 He's not sure when he had it. Bizarre article. 10 days of pneumonia symptoms in January seems pretty suspicious to me, yet he dismisses it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonPeffers Posted May 24, 2020 Author Share Posted May 24, 2020 12 hours ago, Arm said: 63 percent rum a good idea. It's not supposed to work that well according to some but when I had nasty symptoms in March it most certainly helped. And was better than anything else I took. If that hadn't worked a mate had some 90 percent proof and I was going to try that. We both think we had symptoms and await the test when available. 2 hours ago, Kit Car Electronics said: Bizarre article. 10 days of pneumonia symptoms in January seems pretty suspicious to me, yet he dismisses it... 12 hours ago, Blatman said: Guidelines spouted from a podium in a press conference are not enforceable as law. The law makes no mention of limiting distance that can be traveled for the reasons stated in the law. But power without responsibility is very bad for everyone. Ash do bear in mind that I was talking about my Wray & Nephew, Jamaican white rum 63% ABV, (126% proof) and your friends 90% proof is actually 45% alcohol by volume, so below the 60% alcohol by volume needed to kill cornavirus (covid-19). Fergus Walsh states his GP diagnosed bacterial pneumonia (not a viral pneumonia) so antibiotics were prescribed. Possibly an incorrect diagnosis as reports of a choir seemingly contracting covid in Jan 2020 but IIRC still to be tested. Could be very large numbers who've had covid but not yet tested or required hospitalisation. From yesterday's Downing Street briefing it seems if you are living in John O'Groats and are unwell with covid symptoms and need to drive to Portsmouth to relatives for childcare then that's reasonable and acceptable. Great to have clarification. Power without responsibility (or accountability) is just what some Conservative MPs (Steve Baker, Damian Collins, Simon Hoare) are today saying does apply to DC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Ooh the Jamaican sounds good. My mates was from South Africa not really sure what it was but sampled some some yrs back. Wife said not to try it but being an idiot I did. The cough I'd had for months was gone in a few hours and didn't return. It was an accidental find and being prone to throat issue ( already been operated on ) it had a surprisingly positive effect. Even a small amount of Bailey gargled with then swallowed works wonders. And half a bottle of Bailey's and I sleep any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.