DonPeffers Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share Posted April 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Arm said: The only thing I am now certain of is that the press will twist and manipulate a story to make a headline. Do not believe anything now the press say. I suspect when the truth is drilled into this is a completely different story. As i read the article and read between the lies I quickly came to the conclusion it was not as appears. Can you clarify 'reading between the lies' and your 'conclusion it was not as appears'? Also Mr Jenrick is free to offer clarification. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 The press quoted visiting his parents Shropshire house as the weekend. Clearly an inference he went and stayed at his parents Shropshire house. Thus going against his own guidelines. But was that actually the case . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Everall Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Dont trust the PRESS!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonPeffers Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share Posted April 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Arm said: The press quoted visiting his parents Shropshire house as the weekend. Clearly an inference he went and stayed at his parents Shropshire house. Thus going against his own guidelines. But was that actually the case . Whether your interpretation is correct or not is not the problem at hand. I have visited doctors without staying with them. The problem is on 29 mar 2020 at a press conference Mr Jenrick reiterated the Government advice NOT to travel to second homes yet it appears that is what he has done. Sky news offered Mr J the chance to clarify the house situation by asking which house is registered for Council Tax as the main residence but no answer was forthcoming. Both Mr J and his wife work in London where the children are schooled so the London home would seem to be the main residence. If he has gone against his own and Government advice in error then an apology should be sufficient. His Mail on Sunday article published 21 mar 2020 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8138787/ROBERT-JENRICK-Britain-needs-1-5million-people-stay-home.html It reads "We are working with community pharmacies for medicines; supermarkets for food; and voluntary groups to provide delivery of items, prioritising the most vulnerable." In that case why an unnecessary journey to parents to deliver food and medicines? Dr Sarah Jarvis MBE has been very critical of Mr Jenrick as needless car journeys run the risk of accident and more pressure on the NHS as well as encouraging others. All we are asking for is consistency and 'we are all in this together'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 19 minutes ago, DonPeffers said: Dr Sarah Jarvis MBE has been very critical of Mr Jenrick as needless car journeys run the risk of accident The roads have never been emptier. Yes there is always a risk of accidents but it is surely vastly reduced at the present time. I'm thinking Ms Jarvis was looking to fill column inches with this particular comment. There is a much bigger risk of "spokespeople" over egging the pudding... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 I was annoyed on reading the first reports of travelling to parents home for the weekend but on looking further it appeared not to be as clear as that. As hard as the pharmacies and voluntary support groups work they simply cannot meet all demand. They reduce it dramatically but will never totally eliminate the holes. Who knows what the situation was in this case. Pharmacies have a massive task to get in the drugs, process prescriptions and then delivered. They are prioritising best they can. Same for volunteers on food deliveries and supermarkets with on line. Booking slots for deliveries is about 80 percent successful. Problems most people are experiencing every day around much of the uk. There are many things not available in local supermarkets or drugs in pharmacies yet available elsewhere. Have you tried to get paracetamol recently or flour. Things just a month back that would not have been a concern yet basic vital items. It's not a perfect situation at all, I'd have done exactly the same for my parents in this situation yet still overall reduced travel massively. So how do you know it was an unnecessary journey, that the voluntary support group was active or the local pharmacies closed or short of staff. It's a non event in my view but much of the press have gone for a headline . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man On The Clapham Omnibus Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Overegging, as Blatman describes it, seems to be a national habit. Hyperbole and litotes were both covered by my fifth form English language master with the comment that the first is not commonly found among the British, but thrives across the Atlantic. Litotes is, he said, is the usual British habit. Oh, Mr Spooner how wrong you have turned out to be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Colonial Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 9 hours ago, DonPeffers said: Dr Sarah Jarvis MBE has been very critical of Mr Jenrick as needless car journeys run the risk of accident and more pressure on the NHS as well as encouraging others. 9 hours ago, Blatman said: The roads have never been emptier. Yes there is always a risk of accidents but it is surely vastly reduced at the present time. I'm thinking Ms Jarvis was looking to fill column inches with this particular comment. There is a much bigger risk of "spokespeople" over egging the pudding... While it’s true that traffic is much reduced at the moment, it’s also being taken advantage of by some drivers speeding. The road outside my home has a 30 mph limit but at the moment, you’d never know it. It’s become a drag strip for boy racers and budding superbikers from 7 AM to midnight, frequently doing 60-70 mph. My friend who is a lorry driver for a distribution chain says he’s never seen anything like it on the motorways, fewer cars but more speeders doing a ton or more. So while the odds of an accident may (or may not) have been reduced, the number of speeders who could potentially require an intensive car bed (or a coffin) has definitely risen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonPeffers Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 Members of Mr Jenrick's parents' community have confirmed they have been collecting food and medicines for his parents. Before the Jenrick case Dr Jarvis has spoken out strongly against making car journeys which could be avoided. Newspapers aren't simply criticising politicians as they have also strongly criticised a famous Scottish chef, who used to play for Glasgow Rangers, for taking his family to a second home in Cornwall. The problem is not whether Mr J has avoided breaking lockdown rules by definition; it is the public perception that matters. Nuances of language and definition will be lost on many but will perceive 'one rule for us and another for them'. Unless the Government convince the public of the need for a lengthy, continued lockdown then it will likely fail with dreadful consequences. I read someone asking the question 'who is having drunken lockdown parties'? One wag answered it's the covid crisis recently released prisoners celebrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan France Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 If I worked mainly in London, needed to be in Newark for work related activity, worked on Government business, and my family was residing in Herefordshire I would make the trip to see them. And be happy to deliver the don’t normally travel message. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 The public perception that he took food and medicine to his parents is entirely acceptable and permissable. Taking the car to a park to walk the dog not. I think the public have got that understanding. My wife is in the nhs and some medicines are in short supply it's an improving situation but has taken additional trips to get those items to vulnerable people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonPeffers Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 14 hours ago, Terry Everall - WSCC Competition Secretary said: Dont trust the PRESS!!!! Chart below Ipsos MORI Veracity Index....just for fun. The bottom four are Journalists, Professional footballers, Government Ministers and Politicians generally. Nurses and Doctors top the list. Seems about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Bet it won't look like that now 3 yrs later. Not saying I trust politicians any more than the press. Not sure id have the press running the country or politicians selling newspapers. At least we have professionalls at the top of the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajpearson Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 52 minutes ago, DonPeffers said: Newspapers aren't simply criticising politicians as they have also strongly criticised a famous Scottish chef, who used to play for Glasgow Rangers, for taking his family to a second home in Cornwall when Government advice is against such travel. But said individual was already down in Cornwall when the lockdown occurred, and has stayed down here since. He owns multiple houses here, bus remained in the same one with all his family, so press not 100% accurate again on that one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonPeffers Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 The latest Ipsos MORI 2019 veracity index found and shown below. Pleased to see 'the person in the street' came 11th out of 25 and ahead of Clergy, Bankers and the usual suspects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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