Tyre Question/Class for 2016

[Terry Everall]

The emails we have exchanged about the 2016 Regs are probably nearer 300!!!!!

[Marto303]

The emails we have exchanged about the 2016 Regs are probably nearer 300!!!!!

 

   

 

Must learn to type with more than one finger, my typing one is thread bear 

[Onliest Smeg David]

Although a PITA for us all initially (I include myself),

I actually believe standard tyres as in list 1B will ultimately be a step forward in encouraging participation for first timers and will help keep costs down for those in entry level classes.

[John Loudon - Sponsorship Liaison]

Although a PITA for us all initially (I include myself),

I actually believe standard tyres as in list 1B will ultimately be a step forward in encouraging participation for first timers and will help keep costs down for those in entry level classes.

 

So what if you a newcomer who has tyres that have just been moved to list 1C? Plenty of folk have been doing track days and might fancy a go but tyres which are not suitable. It doesn't keep the cost down then. The petition to include list 1C tyres would cater for this and all eventualities of someone starting out as they will almost definitely have something from the lists

[XTR2Turbo]

Just back from a great few days away at Spa and catching up on the emails and petitions.

 

 

My personal view is that if a tyre is road legal, then the MSA should allow it to be used in road going classes.  No more complex than that !!

 

I think they have messed up and missed an opportunity to offer a great added differentiator for organisers designating classes.

 

It should be for individual clubs to decide whether they allow 1a, 1b or 1c in their respective road going championships.  Indeed I understand that until relatively recently our regs had a 1a 1b distinction and it was only changed as many novices already had track rubber on their car.

 

I think the arguments about cost, records, target times, going slower than before etc are all fairly minor short term points for the reasons that David has already articulated and there will be as many winners as there are losers.  The removal of tyre warming / cleaning from places like Loton and Gurston will already impact records for example.

 

I agree with the petitions intent that 1c should be allowed but feel the wording and emphasis is  misleading.  It clearly does not force road going cars to go into modified production and compete with slicks. 

 

I think it should also make clear that it is felt that the MSA have missed out on the opportunity to give us an extra differentiator for classes which would have been a positive.

 

If the MSA changed 1c to be allowed in road legal I would like to see us differentiate between 1b and 1c in our various road legal classes to help with entry costs for new novices.

 

I am also concerned at how long this can rumble on for.  Is it realistic that the MSA change their stance?  It would be good to have clarity on our rules sooner rather than later.

 

Whatever happens the speed series committee have my support in whatever they propose and I will be out competing next year whether on ZZR or ZZS I don't really mind.

 

David

[Onliest Smeg David]

Like that David

Especially...
If the MSA changed 1c to be allowed in road legal I would like to see us differentiate between 1b and 1c in our various road legal classes to help with costs for novices.

(despite losing use of my expensive ZZRs!)
Grand idea.

[Terry Everall]

Just for clarity it is the MSA "Roadgoing" status and not Road Legal classes

[Onliest Smeg David]

Just for clarity it is the MSA "Roadgoing" status and not Road Legal classes

Thanks

I suppose a Westfield could be road legal having V5/MOT etc but not be 'roadgoing' in competition state, i.e. running with slicks on etc. which would not be allowed on public road.

[paul n]

So what if you a newcomer who has tyres that have just been moved to list 1C? Plenty of folk have been doing track days and might fancy a go but tyres which are not suitable. It doesn't keep the cost down then. The petition to include list 1C tyres would cater for this and all eventualities of someone starting out as they will almost definitely have something from the lists

 

I imagine that no newbie coming from the track day scene would have a set of ZZR super soft already because

 

a/ they are bl**** expensive!!

b/ a b******* to find in stock on line

c/ would wear out in a very short space of time on a track days with continuous laps

 

the go to tyre for track day driver is the toyo 888 which i just found on £73 each with tyre leader where as the ZZR is £197 each! 

 

They do seem to be a VERY specialist tyre that is very soft are very good from cold which i suppose is why they are so popular  in the sprint and hill climb scene! 

 

honestly as a newbie i though everybody would be on 888's before i started reading this thread! shows how little i know! ha ha !

 

Cheers paul  

[Terry Everall]

Posting John Hoyles comments for him

" Combine C and E as well as D and F and use 1A /1B tyres as allowing 1C will only prolong the problem. Maybe no overall champ for one year until we sort out TTs"

[Nick Algar - Competition Secretary]

I have locked this Topic now that we have the main  Speed Series Topic running this is a bit redundant and some people appear to have been posting in the wrong topic.