XTR2Turbo Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Sorry to hear this. Not sure what the answer is. Our work vans have locked site boxes for tools. Problem is with a battery powered cutting disc or portable gas set you will cut through anything in 30 seconds. Maybe wire 20,000v to the door handles. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyonspride Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Guarantee it was pikeys, if they don't rob your tools, they'll climb underneath and steal the exhaust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay.perry Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Total scum, my mate who i work with just had his garage broke into and about £2500k of tools gone, they broke the roller door off at about 7p.m on a saturday and just let it fall onto the back of his 911. Police not interested. The week after our plasterer had some scroat throw a concrete slab from his back garden straight through his patio door glass, went inside and took all his deceased wifes jewelery. This was at 1.30 in the afternoon on a main road with neighbours either side, luckily the police did arrest 4 youths in a car with the jewelery and he got it all back, but the police say the chance of it even getting to court are slim!! It's not just their hands that need cutting off, stop em from breeding and dragging more scum up into the world!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff oakley Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 As the police said, no matter what you do if they want something they will get it. All we can do is make it harder so they do someone else not us. When you hear this and the outcry of anger against soft sentencing how come no one listens. Why do some see thieves as the victims, they make choices, chose to start taking drugs, chose to not have a job, chose to pick on the weak etc. Why do the courts not respond accordingly? Jail time for some half wit who does 125 mph where no one is hurt, jail time for lying in court yet get caught red handed thieving little or no action. Maybe when the public start making a noise or vigilantes justice starts to happen they might take note. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay.perry Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Too many do-gooders saying" its not their fault, they need help not punishment" and "the prisons are already overcrowded". So what! put more in a cell , let them sleep on the floor and divide the same amount of food up into smaller portions..They are there for punishment after all! Make it so they never ever want to risk going back in there, not making it feel like home. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monitorlizard Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Perhaps Sharia Law does have something going for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
housebeautician Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 As the police said, no matter what you do if they want something they will get it. All we can do is make it harder so they do someone else not us. When you hear this and the outcry of anger against soft sentencing how come no one listens. Why do some see thieves as the victims, they make choices, chose to start taking drugs, chose to not have a job, chose to pick on the weak etc. Why do the courts not respond accordingly? Jail time for some half wit who does 125 mph where no one is hurt, jail time for lying in court yet get caught red handed thieving little or no action. Maybe when the public start making a noise or vigilantes justice starts to happen they might take note. Absolutely Jeff, trouble is it will never happen. I was told not to retaliate if i caught them. Got to say i had a real crap nights sleep last night. I have been making a list up of stuff that has gone as i think of it and the list is getting much longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
housebeautician Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 Perhaps Sharia Law does have something going for it! What, the bit where they are stoned to death or their hands are cut off. I could live with that bit but not thee rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
housebeautician Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 Sorry to hear this. Not sure what the answer is. Our work vans have locked site boxes for tools. Problem is with a battery powered cutting disc or portable gas set you will cut through anything in 30 seconds. Maybe wire 20,000v to the door handles. David You took the thought out of my mind David. Finding a couple of black and crispy bodies by the side of the van in the morning and all my tools still there could really make me smile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff oakley Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 a young lad who works for me fell asleep in his car and had an accident. No one hurt but long story short, against every request from CPS, the person who's car he ran into probation service, the judge jailed him for 9 months. He was in for 6 and when he came out he told me, that prison held no fear for him. It was easy apart from the boredom, food was good, everything was clean. When he needed to see a Doctor one was on site. His only discomfort was the internal examination when they were looking for Mobile Phones! and drugs being stored in cavities. People he was in with were career criminals who took the stay inside as a holiday, time to get super fit. So you can see why prisons hold no fear. In contrast a man I know who is the same age as my dad, was given the birch for petty theft. He had the marks to prove this but he told me and my Dad that there was no way he was getting anymore after the first lash, after IIRC it was 12 lashes, he would never do anything wrong again. He became a super man who turned his life around, which is the better more humane treatment for our criminals? As for overcrowding, sorry double or triple bunk, stop all niceties and have them breaking rocks. It cannot be right we treat our old and infirm to a 5 minute visit twice a day from a minimum pay Pole, whilst the scum get 24 hour round the clock temperature controlled care. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
housebeautician Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 Jeff Just seems to me that the world has gone upside down. It makes me angry when i am told i am not allowed to fight back. If i do i will be prosecuted. It seems that you have to get used to being a victim according to the law as it will not tolerate vigilanties. So realistically if you catch them, do a Tony Martin but don't get caught. In our society as it is now, the chance of them bringing back the birch for this and other offences is zilch as the PC brigade and do gooders would be jumping up and down at the mention of it. I also dislike the term PETTY theft, no theft is petty to the person who has had their property stolen, it don't matter if its a Mars bar or a million quid, its theft. I also agree with your last paragraph as it also says that the world is upside down. I doubt that i will get anything back as the soco said that there was no point coming round as it was raining (I sort of understand that) so i looks like i will have to live with yet another injustice again. Anyway thanks to all for their sympathies Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Not that I'm saying there's such a thing as an unimportant theft, I'm with Tony on the use of the term "petty theft", but I do think there should be some kind of higher rating for thefts that basically take away the means for someone to make a living, whether it's a van or lock up full of tools or whether it's a laptop full of work, they're still the tools of your trade and their loss has far greater repercussions than a more typical theft might have. I'm sad to say I know, (thankfully at one step removed), the stories of too many shady characters; and all say the same sort of thing as Jeff said; prison is just a chance for a break and to regroup. The only ones (outside sex offenders) to fear jail and/or have a hard time are the Middle class, white collar types that receive the full force of the law for relatively minor offences. While I'm all in favour of the "while your on my property" caught in the act, no holds barred, anything goes attitude of the U.S. Realistically, once they've gone, you can't have people going after the scrotes off their own bat. Otherwise, all the scumbags would just accuse people they didn't like of theft and go and give them a kicking. That said, if the authorities don't want the public to take matters into their own hands, then they have a duty, via the Police and the courts etc to do it instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff oakley Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 You are correct in not being a Petty theft, but that is what they were called. Stealing a bike for example, got you a suitable beating. Now the law is an ass, of that there is no doubt and I am sure there are solicitors and Barristers on here, but to them it is not about justice, it is about winning and losing. If the defendant says they did not do it, they have to defend them and use every thing they can to get an not guilty verdict, even when they must know they are guilty. It then becomes who does best in court. We had a guy who had admitted his guilt of theft, but changed his mind when the police turned up. Inspite of having several witnesses to the theft, his legal aid barrister was like Cavanagh the prosecution like a YTS. Black accused, 8 out of 12 black on the Jury a gifted orator who made them forget the admission completely. Now, we can defend ourselves if we are threatened, but it is fraught with problems. A baseball bat under your bed, you are broken into and whack the guy. In my eyes you are a hero, in the law, unless you can prove that you played baseball, that was premeditated. Grab a kitchen knife as you are being beaten and stab someone then that is fine. Police tell you to walk away as faced with a dead toe rag, even if they don't want to, they have to charge if you sat in wait with a weapon. The anger you feel now and perhaps the insecurity will pass, but you need to look at how you will secure you tools going forward, as many will be back once they are nice an new tools to steal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
housebeautician Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 Let them come back Jeff, it will do me a favour believe me. You are probably right in what you say but, I will be ready for them and i don't give a s*** what the law says as it don't do anything for me. I think smashing their hands to mush on a concrete fence post with a 4 pound club hammer would be just, and worth 3 months inside as i would be out before the scumbags could grow fingernails again. As for all the tools i have to replace they won't get the chance. It will now stick another hour and a half on a already long 10-12 hour day plus travelling as i will have to empty the van every ruddy time i leave it. Sadly it looks like i will also have to lay out a load of money on damn cctv and put extra locks and security on the van. Sadly the country has gone to pot and we all now have to be on our guard 'in case' some low life fancies helping his self to something you own. Tony BTW Anyone got any good suggestions for booby trapping the van so that if they come again their get a big surprise and a trip in a ambulance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Carter (Buttercup) Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Crush up some broken glass in dog dirt and put it behind the handles. They will then get cuts from the glass and infections from the dogdirt. Can you back your van against a wall or anything so they cannot get in rear doors or is there side doors as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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