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Yes it is offensive to others and that in this instance is the deciding factor. Censorship is genrally a bad thing however with a lack of it comes responsibility that the public are not equipped to deal with. His morals are such he sees no problems with wearing the shirt openly, but if I had a small child I would not like it. Now my daughter is 19 it makes little differance in that context.

When the sex pistols went to court it was decided that "never mind the b*****ks" wasn't offensive when clearly to the public at that time it was.

There are many more things that are more serious but when grown men and women wear something like oops, i said a naughty word! and this shirt it reflects so badly on them.

can some one explain what is offensive about the T-shirt and why ?

bazzer

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I shall try Bazz, to me the word P**s is the giveaway.

If the shirt said "don't annoy me as i am running out of places to put the body" the humour is the same, and the shirt could be worn in any company.

As it is would you want that shirt worn at a school play? Or in front of an elderly relative?

To me I am not bothered by the word P**s used in an appropriate way or setting, but to me it is inappropriate to wear something that might cause offence in an area that people wouldn't expect to see it.

So at the Bulldog bash it would be okay as those attending would know what to expect, but in a shopping precint perhaps not.

To me it reflects more on the wearer the lack of thought than anything.

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Aw, come on. Anything can cause offence to anyone if *they* don't happen agree with it.

It's pretty much a no comeback argument in the way that the racism, sexism, equal opportunities, insert 'fashionable / PC stance' is when the hat fits.  Wear the T-Shirt in any company...school play, town centre, pub and one day somone will claim it was wrong for some inane reason........chances are these same people will also have, at sometime or other, laughed at Billy Connolly or maybe had a secret tape of Eddy Murphy, Chubby Brown, George Carlin, Bill Hicks, Richard Pryor etc. and recited the same sort of 'offensive' lines they found so funny at the time and thought nothing of it.

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best t-shirt i saw was "I dont have tourettes, I just think your a c***"

Personally, I don't particularly like the "p*ss me off" t-shirt but would probably not feel strongly enough about it to complain.

The above t-shirt, however, through making light of Tourette Syndrome, I find deeply distressing.  As a father of a nine year old Tourette sufferer who has to contend with constant ridicule from those around him and cannot understand why he is "different", I utterly fail to understand why anyone would wish to produce such an offensive garment let alone find it amusing.

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I shall try Bazz, to me the word P**s is the giveaway.

If the shirt said "don't annoy me as i am running out of places to put the body" the humour is the same, and the shirt could be worn in any company.

As it is would you want that shirt worn at a school play? Or in front of an elderly relative?

To me I am not bothered by the word P**s used in an appropriate way or setting, but to me it is inappropriate to wear something that might cause offence in an area that people wouldn't expect to see it.

So at the Bulldog bash it would be okay as those attending would know what to expect, but in a shopping precint perhaps not.

To me it reflects more on the wearer the lack of thought than anything.

But why does the P**s word offend, think about it its just a word ?  Why do you find that word offensive ? Because some one told you it is ?

I try not to offend people with what I do in life but where do you draw the line ? There are people who would be offended to see a same sex couple holding hand walking down the road. Or a mixed race couple doing the same.

Should we deport these people as well ?

Bazzer

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Kinell DMMS.Me sons got severe learning difficulties,epilepsy and possibly schizophrenia.....and he swears a lot.However he'd be the first to laugh at a T shirt that involved him. :D  :t-up:
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I guess it is because I was brought up in an era where there were certain standards of speech. Where f**k, dangler, nunney, b*****ks, b****y, were swear words which were used in work places only (and yes I have used them all). Now those words are used on TV in songs etc so there is less impact and therefore offence caused to others.

Now as a scociety the law makers decide what is offensive as the "oz trial" and "Lady Chaterleys Lover trial" did in the past. Everytime a taboo word becomes used it lessens it's effect.

As I said censorship is not something I like but where do you draw the line? To someone everything is offensive but the judgement is does it cause sufficent offence to enough people?

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I guess it is because I was brought up in an era where there were certain standards of speech. Where f**k, dangler, nunney, b*****ks, b****y, were swear words which were used in work places only (and yes I have used them all). Now those words are used on TV in songs etc so there is less impact and therefore offence caused to others.

Now as a scociety the law makers decide what is offensive as the "oz trial" and "Lady Chaterleys Lover trial" did in the past. Everytime a taboo word becomes used it lessens it's effect.

As I said censorship is not something I like but where do you draw the line? To someone everything is offensive but the judgement is does it cause sufficent offence to enough people?

So no reason other than someone else told you then ?

Is the world a worse or better place now that D H Laurence's is work is considered acceptable ?

Not trying to give you a hard time just trying to provoke thought  :D

Bazzer

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So no reason other than someone else told you then ?

Dangerous route to go down Mr Baz. On this level, there's no real argument for lots of nasty things being 'wrong'.

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Is the world a worse or better place now that D H Laurence's is work is considered acceptable ?

About the same. A bit of nookie never hurt anyone.

Of course, in Lawrence's time people used to buy babies for sex, which, AFAIK, we don't do so much now.

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Speaking as someone who has been involved in criminal investigations, I find anything which makes fun of murder, or any other crime for that matter, highly offensive.

The language is a side issue, but symptomatic of the lack of respect that people have for each other these days.

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The D H Lawrence argument is spurious here - noone has to read his work. You have to make a conscious informed decision to buy or borrow the book. T-shirts are like advertising hoardings - you've read them before you realise what they say.
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I guess it is because I was brought up in an era where there were certain standards of speech. Where f**k, dangler, nunney, b*****ks, b****y, were swear words which were used in work places only (and yes I have used them all). Now those words are used on TV in songs etc so there is less impact and therefore offence caused to others.

Now as a scociety the law makers decide what is offensive as the "oz trial" and "Lady Chaterleys Lover trial" did in the past. Everytime a taboo word becomes used it lessens it's effect.

As I said censorship is not something I like but where do you draw the line? To someone everything is offensive but the judgement is does it cause sufficent offence to enough people?

So no reason other than someone else told you then ?

Is the world a worse or better place now that D H Laurence's is work is considered acceptable ?

Not trying to give you a hard time just trying to provoke thought  :D

Bazzer

Yes you are right Bazz but that is what we do really as we grow. Someone we listen to guides us as to right and wrong, we can choose to ignore or listen to that guidence. I chose to listen to it and for me it has worked okay. For others they choose a differant path or have never had any guidance which on a wider issue has led to far more serious events recently.

As for the world being a better place, it depends on what you are judging against. Morally I think it is worse, technically it is much better, freedom wise incomprably better.

There are many things wrong with the world and in that context the t shirt is not worth a mention.

My thoughts are provoked but very nicely :D

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The D H Lawrence argument is spurious here - noone has to read his work. You have to make a conscious informed decision to buy or borrow the book. T-shirts are like advertising hoardings - you've read them before you realise what they say.

The point that I was making there was when the book was published the law decided on the offensivness of language used. At the time any such display as the t shirt would have been a ticket to jail.

Now the language which caused such offence to those who were the arbitrators then is used in rap songs and films without concern.

Your point about the visibilty of the shirt is true :t-up:

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There are a few places around here which would invite a different kind of reaction than "shock horror" ,  where anyone giving that message out would be a very brave sole indeed  :t-up:

I think his nanny must have taken all his toys away too soon  :sheep:

got to feel sorry for the poor sod

:t-up:  :(  :t-up:

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