Ok so who thinks this site is better than....

[hogman]

Heres an interesting observation, after attending the first day at the Harrogate Kit Car show, I noticed lots of nice Westies there, I noticed plenty of Robin Hoods and Locusts there too but I did not find 1 C******m there and I could not also find the factory there either - interesting, do C******m owners and the factory think they arent anything to do with Kit Cars then?

[gee_fin]

Ah, well, when I see Low Flying I'll post the times as I don't want to say a time that's way out (which I may already have if PC was doing 59s! ). Course, if I had the spare time I could search Blatchat.....

[ABolton]

On the R500 performance/money argument, you could build a good spec twin-bike-engine car for somewhere in the low 20s that is faster than an R500. And that is proven by numerous magazine tests. AND you can replace BOTH engines for a tenth the cost of the R500 lump. Not that you'd need to unless you did something stupid like bump start one at 20mph [cough  ]. Although an R500 is probably easier to live with, although given what I've seen at trackdays that might not even be true).

Or you could buy mine for £13k (he says, while waiting for his Cars For Sale post to go through  )

Andrew

[stu999]

On the R500 performance/money argument, you could build a good spec twin-bike-engine car for somewhere in the low 20s that is faster than an R500. And that is proven by numerous magazine tests. AND you can replace BOTH engines for a tenth the cost of the R500 lump

Andrew

Just don't get Tiff Needell to drive it......    

[SteveD]

dave kimberley got ftd with a low 55 in his very well developed  c a t e r h a m vx on may 19th with 260 + ish bhp on slicks and  has done a 29 on a single lap compared to guy's 33 on 1a 's not bad  

[Mark Stanton]

Blatchat          

Where's Blatman          wots he got to say about it        

[TerryC]

Maybe I'm missing the point of all this. But if you buy a kit for a couple of grand, spend months building it to the best spec you can afford, (say, £6-12k total build) get it on the road and be able to accelerate and corner like you have only dreamed of (as you drive the family car every day), then surely that is the best value for money/performance!!!!!

If it's all about ultimate performance, then for 1/3 of the cost of a R500, get better handling, better acceleration and better top speed with a bike!!!!!

[Westfieldman]

R1 was beaten my a R500 around croft by 1.5 seconds a lap a year or so ago in EVO

If you want preformance on a budget for track use only a single seater has to be near the top of the list.

Paul.

[stu999]

I know it is only one view, but when Car and Car Conversions ran "The ultimate track day car' article last year, the Megabusa came up trumps. The R500 *may* be better engineered etc, but fun/performance per pound has to lean towards the Westfield camp. And besides, the R500 is their flagship model. Yikes, has anyone seen how much the bare bones basic Cateringvan models are? Not for me thankyou. As for re-sale values, a well looked after Westfield 10 to 12 years old fetching between 4 to 6 grand? I bet that isnt far off the original build cost. Each to their own.   Make mine a Westie!        

[Adrian Elkin]

Very interesting thread guys and yes, a much more 'constructive' read compared to what you find on 'Blatboll**ks' from time to time.

I was lucky enough to be the timekeeper at the recent L7C sprint at Curborough. You can review the results of the event here for your digest. If you've got Acrobat Reader, there is a PDF version here instead.

It was a great day with some very intense competition. Gordon (Powderpuff) Cardew's winning time in Class 3 was my drive of the day. What time he could do in something with a little more grunt, I would love to see. The only sad thing was how evident it is that money has largely taken over skill as the major factor to get anywhere in Class 5. This is not to detract from the skills of the leading drivers in that class in any way; they all put up a fantastic show of car control of that there is no doubt. But most the top 10 I know to have had spades of cash lavished over them to bring them up to the up to a very high spec over standard indeed. Except for one...the Fireblade engined car in 2nd place!

All the best

Adrian

[gee_fin]

Oops, a little off on Mr Ince's time Now time to go dig through the Curborough site for Guy's times.....

The CCC article is very suspect when read, how a 190bhp Ecotec gets the same/very similar terminal speed to a 255bhp K series must make quite a few people scratch their heads. Tyres?

[John Loudon - Sponsorship Liaison]

I think Guys double lap record is 60.03 secs (1A tyres and full screen). The Caterspam times are screenless and 1B tyres.

John

[Adrian Elkin]

Where/when was the CCC article you are refering to Graeme?

[gee_fin]

That one with the track car comparison at Angelsey, about four or so months ago (before CCC went Max Power). It placed the SBD Ecotec (the red road-legal one) versus Jason Krebbs tweaked R500. Was pretty scathing about Jason's car and very, very complimentary about SBD's one.

Just all seemed a little suspect to me.....also very, very scathing of the Porsche owner who packed up his toys and left

[Paul Hurdsfield - Joint Manchester AO]

Hey guys, this was'nt meant to be a my cars faster/better

than yours thread, that would bring us down to the level of Blatchat   and they do that much better than us  

It was meant to be a light hearted 'our' site is better than yours  

I still maintain ALL Se7en type cars are special