Bulk Buy Alloyhubs and Calipers

[zvezdochka]

Just spotted this thread so apologies if I'm asking basic questions, but which calipers are fitted to a "standard" SEiW zetec kit of 2002? I'm getting confused between M16 (which I think were supplied for the fronts)and Princess?  As far as I recall the rears were Ford Sierra.

Also, if I fit these 4 pots is a new master cylinder essential or a desirable option? (funds getting stretched)

Cheers

Rick

[ChrisF]

Any other questions you can all think of?

Does the price for the hubs include alloy grease caps  

[Blatman]

Just spotted this thread so apologies if I'm asking basic questions, but which calipers are fitted to a "standard" SEiW zetec kit of 2002? I'm getting confused between M16 (which I think were supplied for the fronts)and Princess?  As far as I recall the rears were Ford Sierra.

Also, if I fit these 4 pots is a new master cylinder essential or a desirable option? (funds getting stretched)

Cheers

Rick

M16's are what fit on Cortina uprights. If you have Cortina uprights, you have M16 calipers.

Princess calipers are AP 4 pots as fitted as OEM to the Austin Princess. By a happy coincidence, they also fit Cortina uprights without modification, and were a cheap way to upgrade to 4 pots. The downside is they are cast iron and fappin heavy...

[Thrustyjust]

Any other questions you can all think of?

Does the price for the hubs include alloy grease caps  

Chris,no caps,but they are only a couple of quid new from Ford anyway.

List of answers to questions.Windys hubs,yes they can and will be PM'ing you.

M16 calipers are £100 'plus vat' This equates to a saving of £47 a pair retail.

Bearings are 'Goldman' bearings from a parent company called Goldline.These bearings are widely used in motorsport and have been used since 1986 by Compbrake and never had one return.Even used on Ari Vatenens car etc,hence the £18 each.

Pads for the B16 calipers(princess) are Hawk track £67 a pair(retail £105) and Hawk road £57(£95 retail).

The M16 asaik can use the same as all M16 replacements pads,which are based on the Lotus Elise pads.

Also the B16 calipers(princess) were designed NOT to need an uprated master cylinder and will also bolt straight on.This means that you can try it without the cost of changing the master cylinder and if you need more maybe uprate it later.

I have a cofession that I got the carriage wrong.It looks like it will be £9 post and packaging.Still reasonable.He would like a bulk cheque(me) and you all pay me.I didn't fancy doing that,but to make life easier and more straight forward.I'll do that.

[adhawkins]

M16 calipers are £100 'plus vat' This equates to a saving of £47 a pair retail.

Hmm...CAT motorsport's calipers are only £117 including the VAT (and they're a known quantity).

Andy

[Thrustyjust]

M16 calipers are £100 'plus vat' This equates to a saving of £47 a pair retail.

Hmm...CAT motorsport's calipers are only £117 including the VAT (and they're a known quantity).

Andy

Andy,I'm not telling you to buy them,just advising what the guy wants for them.If you want to get Cat calipers,go for it.As long as the hubs come through thats all I fussed about.Do Cat do them for £80 a pair?At the moment we have 14 pairs of hubs.As long as it stays up there above 10 pairs,thats all I need.

[adhawkins]

Sorry, wasn't having a go (I know how thankless trying to arrange a bulk buy can be ). Just merely pointing out that this isn't as good a deal as the hubs are.

I'm still thinking about it

for your efforts...

Andy

[zvezdochka]

Now I'm getting confused, if I currently have M16s, I can replace them with M16s but will need a new master cyl, but if I go for B16s, they will still fit but don't need a new master cylinder?

So which is better M16 or B16?

Rick

[Thrustyjust]

You won't need a new master cylinder for the M16.I have the Hi spec calipers and the standard master cylinder is fine.I know that an uprated cylinder may make a better feel to the pedal,but with the M1444 pads in,it seems fine for me.The B16(princess) calipers were redesigned before sale,so as to fit with the standard master cylinder.if I let the cat out the bag,they were OEM for Westfields in the past....dam,letting myself head into trouble now......

[OB1]

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[Thrustyjust]

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No,the guy resides in Preston anyway.

I have made the cut off date for the MONDAY 21st of November.This will give you to last post Sat to get to me,unless you mail me different.The theory is that people will send me a cheque,I will pay it in and he wants one BULK cheque.This allows 5 days to clear in my account and thenhe will get it by the end off the month and we should get the hubs middle of December.

[Thrustyjust]

Can I ask that all people that have 'not' mailed me at thrustyjust@hotmail.com that want hubs and bits,to do it,so as to start sorting out the deal.Can you list the parts you want and a delivery address.Can you also list your forum name as well as your 'real names' to make my life easier.I want to get the ball rolling on this please.

[Bruce Irving]

Hi from Raceleda.

I want to calrify that the Raceleda price is £75 + vat and it includes annodise, wheel studs, grease caps, fitted bearings and helicoils. They weigh just under 1 kilogramme. http://www.raceleda.co.uk/hubs.htm#

I would also make the point that not all alloy hubs are the same. The type of material and the amount of machining time reflects the cost. If you compare one of our hubs to others on the market, you can see the difference in machining time.

Finally, Princess calipers and M16 calipers are not interchangeable. Firstly, the Princess is designed to run a vented disc (the Capri 2.8 inj disc fits). More importantly, if you bolt a Princess caliper onto a Cortina upright the pad will overhang the disc something like 3/16" of inch. This is a serious safety risk especially as the pad begins to wear. In addition, why would anyone want to run a vented disc?

What weight you save in unsprung mass on the caliper would be negated by the increase in rotating unsprung mass of the disc. The capri disc is 4kgs! The Raceleda disc is 2.6kg.

from Webmaster - Ive allowed this advert since Raceleda are a sponsor of the speed series and it clarifys their offering.

[Blatman]

I want to calrify that the Raceleda price is £75 + vat and it includes annodise, wheel studs, grease caps, fitted bearings and helicoils.

The price of your hubs is mentioned in the opening post. I guess you didn't read it...

I would also make the point that not all alloy hubs are the same. The type of material and the amount of machining time reflects the cost. If you compare one of our hubs to the type Westfield sell you can see the difference in machining time.

Do you have any specific knowledge that the materials used for the hubs in this bulk buy is inferior, or the machining techniques are inferior as to make the hubs dangerous in use? This is a serious implication you are making, and we need to be absolutely clear on this matter.

Been using Princess calipers on my car for 5 years. I use the Capri vented discs and pad wear has not been an issue. If I removed the spacer kit from the Princess caliper, then I could use them on normal non vented discs, BUT I would not get full wear from a set of pads, and I agree it would be potentially dangerous as the pistions might actually push clear of the calipers as the pads wear down.

[Bruce Irving]

I did read it. The price was mentioned but if you read beyond the price you will see it does not say what is included within the price and I have clarified the point. As someone who sponsors the Speed Series it is important to me that if someone implies they have reserached the market and quote a price for the products I sell that they offer a fair view. Quite simply it wasn't a like for like comparison. My real concern was that people should understand that our hubs cost more because there is more to hubs them just machining aluminium.

I have not implied the hubs might be dangeruous due to their material or machining and I cannot see how you can draw that conclusion. Try reading it again, slowly, or asking a friend for help!

I said that to have the pad hanging over the disc was dangerous and it is.