Blatman Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 I'm sure no-one ever actually reads what I write properly. Or they read it but don't understand it : i read what you said and agreed with you. just felt like a bit of a rant had me cig and thought i would share with you an experience met an old boy at croft in a fairly tatty looking e-type convertible. he had just come back from doing a trackday at monza. he didnt have any seatbelts let alone a roll bar. he took me out for a few laps and it was a hoot in some ways the lack of seatbelts made it more exciting as the frisson of danger was increased, which for me can only be a good thing i also have a mate with an original 911 carrera and he never puts his seatbelt on. makes it more exciting and him more alert. And if the risk is acceptable to you and him, then I will defend your right to have fun. But We also have a right to disagree with that decision. But that's it....
petrolhead Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 I know someone who goes blatting and makes sure his passengers slide all over the place just to add to the enjoyment. If they are getting bored the car knows this a spurts oil on them
Matt Seabrook Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 phil caged April 21 2004,21:14 Hi ChapsPhil from Caged here. Timd is right, a good way to increase head clearance is to reduce the height of your seat. Caterham now offer a lowered floor pan (1.5-2" I think) to do just this - shouldn't be too difficult to do. Reduce the height of your seat, add a blip to the roll bar - as long as everyones safe we who cares if you buy a cage or not. Just a quick thought though, having seen Scroths (harness manufacturer) promotional video you would be VERY surprised how much movement is in your harnesses when upside down - even when you think your securely strapped in - lower those seats boys. Taken from here. Strikes me as this is the man that should know. I agree safety for me is important which is the reason I have flame proof knickers vest and balaclava under my three layer nomex suit. I have a custom made roll bar with petty strut. I was very careful when sorting the height out for the roll bar and there is a go 50mm of clearance above my helmet in the safety zone not the height of the roll bar but that was my choice. I would have liked a cage but at the mo funds will not go that far. I also respect others for not wanting even the limited protection of an RAC bar. After all if people took every precaution to prevent personal injury there would be no extreme sports and the world would be a more boring place.
Guest Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 that accident could have easily happened to a once in a while TD goer From looking at the accident, I think that the guy has himself to blame clearly not paying attention to the track, the fluid can be seen easily by the camera so he should have seen it and being on slicks taken more care. The car looks to have taken the impact well and don't think that the cage made much difference, were it did make a difference is when he is sat on top it and gets hit by the other car, again what was he thinking. neil you are talking utter rubbish ........ their is no way you could see the fluid from the car .
neilb Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 neil you are talking utter rubbish ........ their is no way you could see the fluid from the car . The camera has a similar veiw to the driver and it can be clearly seen on the video
Carl Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 I guess all the people who think safety is paramount at any cost will be fitting an 85 bhp X-flow. Got to be safer than a 200bhp+ 16v
oioi Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 I know someone who goes blatting and makes sure his passengers slide all over the place just to add to the enjoyment. If they are getting bored the car knows this a spurts oil on them *whistles innocently*
Blatman Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 neil you are talking utter rubbish ........ their is no way you could see the fluid from the car . The camera has a similar veiw to the driver and it can be clearly seen on the video TV camera lenses can do wonderful things though, especially with contrast, brightness and colour. In some respects they are much better than the human eye at picking out certain details that are more difficult for human eyes to see. So, you may both be right, sort of...
ChrisG Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 If I recall correctly from watching the video last night, the camera is also significantly higher than eye level so will have a better view anyway, when sitting at driver level you probably can't see the nearest 20-30ft that you can see on the camera due to the bonnet / aeroscreen etc, and Im sure others that have driven Spa will agree that coming over the crest there out of Eau Rouge, the view of the actual tarmac is very limited and if doing 80-100mph+ you'd have little chance of taking significant avoiding action
Nick M Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 For that matter, plenty of people race open top cars with no protection (even seat belts) in historic racing. And at least three of them kept the local hospital busy during the Goodwood Revival meeting last month.... The driver of the Formula 500 which rolled right in front of me was flung around like a rag doll and it took some 20 minutes of stirling work by the emergency services to get him stabilised and into an ambulance. But the thing is, I do trackdays for fun and I'd quite like to keep on doing them. I hope I never have cause to rely on the cage I had fitted last year - in an ideal scenario I've wasted a not insignificant amount of money But I'm damn happy it's there, just in case....
mrblondie Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 theres nothing heroic about not taking all the safety precautions... quite the reverse in my books most big moments i have seen have either been due to 1. "novices" driving beyond there abilitys on their 1 track day a year trying get max value for that day 2. "good / experienced drivers getting just a bit to close to the limits once to often... ... some were just wrong place wrong time....BBUT they all end with the same results and very solid things dont care about your ability either way you need alll the saftey gear you can get, cage helmet, suit, gloves etc of course not forgetting to drive with a brain!! were the racers in the 40 and 50's any more of heros cos they wore a leather cap and a crppy lap belt....... nope... a fair percentage werent around long enough to make legends like now...
donkeydave Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 a mate of mine has a nasty accident... and the internet boards are full of sympathy and relief he wasn't more injured and in here there appear to be glory hunters, wise after the event-ers and most amazingly a heated debate over the cost of helmets and cages with a few exceptions you appear to be a bunch of nunneys
Boomy Posted October 14, 2005 Posted October 14, 2005 with a few exceptions you appear to be a bunch of nunneys I think it's just the nature of the internet more than people actually being nunneys.I mean not so long ago you couldn't tell thousands of people about an accident via the web and show videos of it etc. Today you can of course, so you will always have people looking at such incidents from all angles and suggesting they would of done things differently etc etc etc. 99% of people will instantly be glad the driver was ok however but even if the outcome were much worse, discussion would still take place about what went wrong and what you can do to help prevent it.That then always leads onto other things related to the event simply due to the amount of people who are aware of it. Face to face it would always be a different story as we all know. Glad he was ok btw
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