Madness kit Throttle Body upgrade

[jak]

Getting closer to getting the funding passed - the deal includes SWMBO taking my daughter to Disneyland Paris next year and me doing the washing and ironing after our family holiday to Florida next year. SWMBO drives a hard bargain . I'm sure it will be worth it though    

John.

[Blatman]

Hi, I am really intrested in this offer but I am not sure what ECU is fitted to my car. I have just been into the garage to have a closer look and all I can find is a sticker on it with the following information;    97ab-hb cadiz hoax made in spain.

Is there anyone who can enlighten me as to what ECU this is.

I have some pics of it too but don't know how to upload them but I could email them to one of you if you like.

Many thanks,

Gav.

All I can offer is that the Weber factory that makes DCOE's is in Spain. It may follow that *all* of Webers manufacturing is done in Spain, so you may well have a Weber Alpha ECU...

[MAT1800]

How did you get on with your ECU Gavin ?

If you Email me a pic, I'll post it up for you, although Mark at WF will probably be able to help best.

150 BHP by just adding 2.0l cams as well...      

COOOOL !!

I guess that'll be happening at some point in the future then.

As I presume they can be sourced pretty easily    

[Gavin]

Well it's bed news for me guys, just got an e-mail from Mark at WF and apparently my ECU is the standard Ford one so I have to but an ECU aswell which will cost another £418.59 on top of the £1200 for an MBE ECU. OUCH !!!!! ANYONE GOT ANY OTHER IDEAS

[Blatman]

I have to but an ECU aswell which will cost another £418.59 on top of the £1200 for an MBE ECU. OUCH !!!!

Actually, that's not a bad price for an ECU at all. DTA's and Emeralds are both £550 + VAT. Unless you want a Megasquirt, then you're *still* getting a bargain with the MBE. I know it doesn't seem like it, but trust me it is.

Plus you should be able to sell most of what you remove of the standard injection system and recoup some costs, so it's not all bad news...

[Ian Podmore]

Ford seem to have a funny sense of humour with their ECU codes. The last 4 letters always spell out some strange words.....  Your in the same position as me with a Ford ECU

The WSC deal doesn't sound bad at all. Add some even better cams than the 130/2 litre ones  plus some skimming and porting as well and say hello to 180bhp

[zvezdochka]

Hi all

Just come back from hols so have been catching up on the original thread and this new one with much interest and generated a few questions;

1. Does the WF deal include new injectors

2. My madness kit was one of the first (picked up kit Sept 2002) and has cylindrical fuel pump with inlet and outlet at opposite ends, will this be ok?

3. with this extra power will new con rod bolts be needed?

4. Lastly, how easy is it to fit 2 litre cams to a zetec?

Just trying to ge a feel for cost range as my budget would be really at my limit at £1200.

I like the idea of 30% deposit and balance on delivery, have WF indicated a timescale for delivery so I can begin to persuade SWMBO?

Sorry it's a lot of questions, any replies or advice really appreciated.

Rick

[jak]

I spoke to Mark at Westfield today - the package will take a madness kit to speedsport induction spec - including remapping the ECU. I beleive from Kerrys' post it includes all the bits necessary to upgrade from the madness set up. My 2005 kit as the same pump as yours so should n't be a problem.

I have nearly convinced SWMBO to release the funds - should have it confirmed by the end of the week  

HTH

John

[KerryS]

Mark tells me he has had enquiries already, so suggest contact him, Nick if jak hasn't answered everything.

I think you would be struggling to get the Speedsport spec upgrade for less ££ than this unless you sourced bits s/h, but then you'd still need the ECU re-mapped.

I have e-mailed all the AOs whose e-mail addresses I could find from the magazine and the website to spread the word further.

Re conrod bolts I suspect that they'd be fine but someone will tell you otherwise soon I suspect - Blatters?

Kerry S

[KerryS]

The conversion, if done to a plenum injected 1.8 should take power from 105bhp to around 135bhp.

The description of the Madness kit from WF states 120 bhp with plastic plenum thingy already - true/false

what the devil - it still goes like stink

Kerry S

[jak]

I would think about 140 bhp with throttle bodies in a standard car. Ford claimed 115 bhp in the escort/ Mondeo, so 120 bhp in a westie sounds about right.

John

[KerryS]

Westfield brochure and website says 155bhp for Sport 1800 but they may have done a cam swap too for that.

As I said what the devil - I can't get too excited about the bhp count for my use of the car.

Kerry S

[Gavin]

"Unless you want a Megasquirt"

Bit of a dumb question here but what is a Megasquirt ECU and what would the difference be compared to say an Emerald or MBE ?

Any of you guys have any good or bad things to say about ECUs that are on the market as I better get choosing which one to go for !! SSHHHHHHH don't tell the wife !!  

[Blatman]

If budget is the issue, then the MBE on offer is as cheap as you'll find for a new ECU, and by some margin. I've just paid nearly as much for an old DTA ECU...

As for a megasquirt, stick it in to Google. There's loads.

Basically, it's a DIY ECU, which you buy and build yourself, and which you map yourself, etc etc. IMO, unless you have some pre existing skills in fabrication work or electronics, it's a non starter when compared with the current deal on the table from Westfield.

[Ian Podmore]

Re conrod bolts I suspect that they'd be fine but someone will tell you otherwise soon I suspect

Standard Ford bottom end is good for 7,000rpm, with ARP conrod bolts you can go to 7,400rpm.

With the standard 115 or 130 cams, your not going to be need to go over 7,000rpm anyway, but with Pipe 270 or 285 cams you'd be upgrading your rod bolts to be able to make full use of the new cam profile.

BTW, you would need to re-map the ECU at a later date if you change the cams from the standard madness 115 cams as the ignition and fuelling requirements will alter, same goes for any head modifications.  Just thought I'd add that in case anyone thought you could just change the cams and get extra power at a later date without a further ECU remap.  That said, someone would probably have a map for a particular spec that you could load into your ECU.

155bhp for Sport 1800 but they may have done a cam swap too for that

Yes, that's right.  With the better induction of the individual TB's you gain about 20bhp over the standard Ford plenum setup.  That means a madness kit should go to about 135/140bhp. An 1800 Speedsport engine is basically a 130 spec engine like mine (main difference is just the cams) but with individual TB's like in this offer, so with the tubular exhaust as well you go from 135 to 155bhp.

And as Blatman says, if that price for an ECU from Westfield includes VAT, it is an absolute steal!