Steve L Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 I have just ploughed through 11 ! pages of polemics titled "ATT VX Owners". And while I admire you Brits for your ability to banter without drawing blood (the Germans tend go for the jugular at the slightest offence, and in one of the forums that I read, simply if you don't drive a Caterham), the concrete information was a bit thin. Keep in mind, this part of the forum is for Newbies! And I believe most of the people posting here are Oldbies. Anyhow, I really am a newbie and do not know if a Cossie is another name for a VX or a completely different engine or what is in a Pinto or an Escort. And I would be really interested to know about various engines. For example, type, (real name and nicknames) displacement, weight, horsepower and torque, modifications made and what various engines and mods have cost. Not theoretical, but what people are really running in their cars. For example, I saw one person said he was going to buy an engine for 180 sheets (pounds?) and a type 9 transmission should go for 50 pounds. Are these typical prices? Sounds a lot cheaper than in Germany. Or can anyone point me to a link where someone has already put lots of information in tables already? For my part: Kent (aka Xflow?), 1.6 ltr., dual 40 Webers, 190° cam 125 hp. (All this I have from the car's papers. I bought the car not running and have not had it on the road yet.) And do all Kents leak oil? Mine has a steady drip. Steve L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthurs Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Hi Steve, I would say I am a relative newbie but I have done a little home work on this subject. The best place to get started it here... Burton Power This will give you a short description of most of the Ford engines and gearboxes used on Westfield's. Cheers Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhawkins Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 And do all Kents leak oil? Mine has a steady drip. I think it's generally accepted that X-Flows do leak oil, yes. Most people combine their purchase of one with the purchase of shares in an oil company As for my car, 2 litre Zetec, twin 40s, MT75 gearbox. ABout 150 BHP I think (not had it tested myself). Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Loudon - Sponsorship Liaison Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 If you dont want it to leak, fit a dry sump system John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Anyhow, I really am a newbie and do not know if a Cossie is another name for a VX or a completely different engine or what is in a Pinto or an Escort. And I would be really interested to know about various engines. For example, type, (real name and nicknames) displacement, weight, horsepower and torque Welcome X-Flow is indeed sometimes called the Kent engine. In Se7ens, most often in 1.7 guise. When used with twin 40's and a mild cam upgrade should produce about 135bhp. All cast iron, and getting on in years, it's not one of my favourites, although there are lots of folk who love 'em. Parts are cheap, and still fairly easy to come by. Can be made to give 180-190bhp and maybe more, but like all the engines here, when tuned to "full race" levels, it's money, and then some........ Pinto is the 2.0l single overhead cam Ford engine found in Mk1 and Mk2 RS2000's, Capris, Cortina's and Granada's, as well as some Transit vans......Heaviest engine out of this list. All cast iron, and quite limited for tuning, although 190+bhp is do-able, it'd be a git to drive round town. 150bhp is the sensible stopping point for a road car on carbs. Zetec is the 1.8 and 2.0l 16 valve Ford engine found in early Mondeo's and Mk4 and Mk5 Escorts, as well as a few Fiestas. Produce between 100 and 130bhp in standard form. Adding twin 40's or 45's bumps that up to around 140-150 bhp. Lighter than Pinto's (amd maybe the x-flow too), it's a nice oil tight, modern engine that has many fans. Ultimate power potential is around 250-270bhp, which is a little short of the most powerful engines here. Vx is the name for the 2.0l 16 valve Vauxhall/Opel engine found in early Astra's and Cavaliers, and some Carlton's. Produced around 140-150bhp as standard. Adding twin carbs add's a further 20-30bhp. (I have one, on throttle bodies, and some QED42H cams, producing 185ish bhp). Tuneable to 300bhp, and maybe a little more, but at this spec, like the Zetec, it'd be expensive, and reasonably fragile. Atmo Cosworth, or Cossie is the Sierra Cosworth 2.0l engine, but converted to run without a turbo. Mild cams see this engine with an easy 170-180bhp. Porting, and some slightly less mild cams has this engine producing 230-240bhp. I have one in 240bhp spec. True 320bhp potential, but that would cost money too. One of my favourite engines of all time.Some Westfields have kept the turbo, and run at around 280-330bhp. Installation in trhe engine bay is cramped, though.... V8's are normally the Rover V8, found in SD1 Rovers, and some Range Rovers. IIRC, around 180-220bhp as standard. Tuneable to around 350-400bhp, and lighter than the Pinto and Cosworth (but not by much). Great sounding engine..... 4AGE. Toyota engine found in MR2's. Light-ish 16 valver, but good for an easy 150-160bhp. A popular engine down under, and it has it's fans here too. Quite rare in Se7ens, but no really good reason why, 'cos it's a nice little motor. K series. The engine of choice of our C******m driving brethren. Light, with reasonable tuning potential, although outputs above 240bhp are rare, and at this level, it's really quite fragile, with the head gasket being a real weak point. In the Rover car it comes out of, it'll be at about 120-130bhp, IIRC. Duratec is the latest 16 valve all aluminium engine from Ford, found in late model Mondeo's, and Focus'. Fast becoming the engine of choice, with it's light weight, and excellent tuning potential. A few people are already making 250bhp engines with more to come. True potential is as yet unproved, but I expect it to reach 300bhp. This may well be the future.......... That lists the main stream car engines which are most often found in Se7ens. I'm sure lots of the boys will join in with their points of view...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhawkins Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Duratec is the latest 16 valve all aluminium engine from Ford, found in late model Mondeo's, and Focus'. I thought my Focus (ST170) had a Duratec in it (Ford sell it as such), but people on here said it was basically a modified Zetec, not the full Duratec lump. Or are you referring to the engine in the Focus RS? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Focus RS...... It'll be cropping up more and more in the Focus though, I reckon. It *may* also be in late model Galaxies too....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westfieldman Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 I really am a newbie and do not know if a Cossie is another name for a VX or a completely different engine Atmos Cosworth is a tuned Pinto [boat anchor] In the uk the Duratec is fornd in the MK3 Mondeo in 1800 and 2000cc also the 1800 is found in the Focus C-max all other Focus engines are Zetecs of one form or another In the USA the Duratec 2.3ltr is found in a Ford pick up truck The Duratec is the same as the Mazda engine in the Mazda 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Podmore Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 I thought my Focus (ST170) had a Duratec in it (Ford sell it as such), but people on here said it was basically a modified Zetec, not the full Duratec lump. The ST170 engine is a Zetec with a new variable timing cam head on it, and I think is the one used as the basis for the Focus RS turbo-charged unit. It is also used for the Focus WRC AFAIK. Non of these are a proper Duratec which is known as the 'I4' engine. Missed off the very useful and accurate list by Blatman was the beloved CVH. Also, isn't the 1800 Duratec a direct injection engine like the VW/Audi FSI units? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhawkins Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Missed off the very useful and accurate list by Blatman was the beloved CVH. Accurate apart from the bum 'Duratec in a Focus' info Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCh Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 In the States, the Duratec is also found in the Focus PZEV (ultra-low emmissions 2.3L), and beginning in the model year 2005 Focus, Ford will no longer use the Zetec and will instead offer 2.0L & 2.3L Duratecs. I believe this change is worldwide. Also, the new Mazda 3 uses the Duratec in 2.0L & 2.3L form, with variable valve timing added to the larger unit. -John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Atmos Cosworth is a tuned Pinto [boat anchor] No it isn't. The only common part is the engine block, and even then, the Cosworth blocks are specially selected from the Pinto production line to be turned in to Cosworths. *Everything* else is different........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhawkins Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 I think we're in danger of this degrading into another 'engine wars' thread. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timd Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 *Everything* else is different........ It's a heavily tuned pinto then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nlash Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Pinto is the 2.0l single overhead cam Ford engine found in Mk1 and Mk2 RS2000's, Capris, Cortina's and Granada's, as well as some Transit vans...... and not to mention the odd Sierra or two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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