Important covid question

[Blatman]

33 minutes ago, Lyonspride said:

I don't see the point in all this testing,

 

The point is not only to identify people who have or have not not had it. We want to test as many people as possible to learn as much as we can about the disease. The blood from those people who have had it can be used to test for antibodies and potential resistance. As with all testing of this nature, the larger the sample the better.

Other benefits... those with antibodies could be or could become future carriers and this is important to stop the spread when we all get let out. Those who have not had it (and I do take the point that they could become infected leaving the blood test centre) have the opportunity to take extra precautions against getting it by being ever more conscious of social distancing, good hygiene and maybe wearing a face mask and gloves when out in public.

 

 

[Blatman]

2 minutes ago, Blatman said:

the larger the sample the better.

 

Talking to myself now but...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52243605

 

 

[Man On The Clapham Omnibus]

I am coming to the conclusion that this CV19 debacle could well evolve from pandemic to endemic. The infection will continue to spread through the populations and even we who are more vulnerable will eventually catch it. If a vaccine is developed and if one works, it won't be for eighteen months or more. The immunity level and duration from a vaccine or from recovery from infection is unknown, but could be anywhere from lifetime down to a few months. If mutation happens then it might not even be that long. Treatments are non-existent currently, and despite frantic evaluations of a variety of existing drugs licensed for other purposes - with mixed results - a novel treatment would have to go through months and months of evaluations and safety testing before it was released for general use. If you are one of the fortunate ones who rides out the disease with few, if any, symptoms then you will be one of the 'chosen ones', but if you do not, then Darwin rubs his hands with glee. I can see a new race, or set of races, who are naturally no more badly affected than with a bad cold continuing while sub-optimal people will either die immediately on infection, or suffer so badly with long term effects that their lives will be curtailed by chronic ill-health. It is a watershed in the human race if my Doomsday vision comes to pass, and life will not be the same again in our lifetimes, nor, possibly those of our children.
 

[Steve (sdh2903)]

7 minutes ago, Man On The Clapham Omnibus said:

It is a watershed in the human race if my Doomsday vision comes to pass, and life will not be the same again in our lifetimes, nor, possibly those of our children

 

 

On a lighter note at least the weathers nice 

 

[Man On The Clapham Omnibus]

It is indeed Steve! 

[Blatman]

15 minutes ago, Man On The Clapham Omnibus said:

It is a watershed in the human race if my Doomsday vision comes to pass, and life will not be the same again in our lifetimes, nor, possibly those of our children.

 

Right, that does it. I'm staying home...

[Man On The Clapham Omnibus]

It might save your life and the NHS! Allegedly... 🥴

[Kingster]

2 hours ago, Man On The Clapham Omnibus said:

CV19 debacle could well evolve from pandemic to endemic

I thought that was the plan.
 

We keep isolating to stop the NHS from collapsing until we develop herd immunity and/or vaccinated immunity - but it doesn’t really go away and just like flu lots of people still get it and sadly some die. 

[Arm]

Many thanks to all for a good discussion. Lots for me to read and understand. I started the thread and asked for no politics. I don't mind another thread on politics if someone wants but it's not my bag. I wanted a debate looking forward and the political view too often reflects on whats been done wrong. That's ok but it rarely moves on to what's to be done next if so much was done wrong. Discussions with other friends couldn't look forward, became shouty anti party points  but never to a better solution. So thanks for keeping that out.

 

So far the consensus seems to be carry on along this path .

 

My curve ball which was accidental was the when. Ie when you choose to have CV. For me went from being a silly thought to a more reasoned point.  For us now its morphed to the plans and discussions to ensure we are ready and have some priorities and actions ready. Even the discussion on support family arrangements. Hopefully don't need to put those plans into motion but we are not going to have that choice . Are you all ready also ?

Cheers all

[XTR2Turbo]

Out of interest has Covid been the trigger for anyone to write or update their will ? 

[Man On The Clapham Omnibus]

Not ours XTR2, ours are comprehensive and recent anyway. 

[jonjh1964]

My wife and I haven’t changed ours but the kids now know where they are. I’ve made a sheet up of where all the investments are, all the utility suppliers/insurance, packs for each of the cars etc. We’ve also taken the time To clear out the loft, de-cluttered all our carp/kit that has accumulated over the last couple of decades ( just need the tips to reopen to finally get rid of it. Garden next!

[Howard]

8 hours ago, XTR2Turbo said:

Out of interest has Covid been the trigger for anyone to write or update their will ? 

 

We haven't as yet, but Emma and I have discussed updating ours owing to the present circumstances. Also the need to sort out all our junk so the 'kids' don't have to do it if the worst happens.  I'm in the highly at risk category due to the immunosuppressant drugs I have to inject to control my arthritis, so the herd immunity strategy is an unsettling prospect for me.  That said, I never get colds or flu; haven't had a day off sick for over 20 years.  Last time was nearly 22 years ago when I got chicken pox. So I'm kind of hoping that my natural defences (immunosuppressants aside) would triumph. Still worry that this might be the one that gets you, though.     Emma is also 'at risk' but to a lesser degree.

[Man On The Clapham Omnibus]

Howard, are you advised never to have 'live' vaccines because of your immunosuppressants? My Good Lady is on immunotherapy - different, I know - and she cannoy have live vaccines. I hope this CV19 vaccine, if and when, is a 'killed' vaccine. As it is we're under shielding rules and it's a pain!

[Howard]

Motco, yes that's right. If I do have to have a live vaccine I have to stop using the Imraldi/Humira, which is a biologic, for a while.