Simon Waterfall Syman84 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 I have had to replace my alternator due to fault and draining the battery even when the car is off. So I need a new battery and lithium seems to be the best option as the price for one is the same and in some cases less than another Odyssey extreme. Question is are the CCA on a lithium the same as a lead acid's as looking at the current battery I can get away with looks to be the smallest powerlite. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Yeah, a cold cranking amp is a cold cranking amp, I've run tiny little things with no issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTR2Turbo Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 If you sprint / hill climb the lion battery needs to be from an MSA approved supplier 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Waterfall Syman84 Posted May 25, 2019 Author Share Posted May 25, 2019 1 hour ago, XTR2Turbo said: If you sprint / hill climb the lion battery needs to be from an MSA approved supplier Yep been looking at the powerlite ones that are approved. Just don't know if I should go for the 05 or the 09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanD Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Hi Simon I have the Powerlite 09 an have been using its equivalent unapproved one from the same suppler for several years without any problem. The Cranking is fine and the only time I have had any issue at all was when having starting issues as they do flatten more quickly than a normal battery, just due to the lower Ah rating. Absolutely nothing to worry about in normal use though. And they are so light you will think its an empty case Ian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Everall Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Mine was £109 including charger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Waterfall Syman84 Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 New battery arrived today with charger delivered for £95. Just need to finish the rest of the car now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Everall Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Come and and get out there Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Waterfall Syman84 Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Terry Everall - WSCC Competition Secretary said: Come and and get out there Simon It's getting there Terry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Everall Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 looks good to me Come and and get out there Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Reid Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Just to check... Powerlite PS-09 = Capacity - 9Ah Cold Cranking Amps - 300 ODYSSEY Extreme 25/PC680 = Capacity: 16Ah Pulse (5-second) Hot Cranking Amps: 520PHCA Cold Cranking Amps: 170CCA So the lithium has more CCA but less capacity. What does this mean in real world? I'm planning on using on my 1.6 turbo engine with VVT and direct injection. No heater or wipers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigHew Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 57 minutes ago, Tim (TimDave25) - Joint Thames Valley AO said: So the lithium has more CCA but less capacity. What does this mean in real world? . Ah refers to the storage capacity of a battery so 16Ah is almost twice the storage capacity. CCA refers to the ability to start an engine in cold temperatures. (number of amps a 12-volt battery can deliver at 0°F for 30 seconds while maintaining a voltage of at least 7.2 volts.) it's always difficult to explain in real world terms but CCA is more important for a diesel, which takes a higher cranking load to turn over. It rates the amount of power the battery is able to supply, which diesels usually take a lot of when cranking. A bigger AH rating means you can sit longer with the car not running listening to the stereo, and longer resistance to the natural drain on the battery when not in use on your drive. probably clear as mud.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 The more meaningful aspect of Ah in our sort of usage is the number of go's you'll get to start the engine, before charging is needed. My old gel battery used to give a good solid three or four goes, before the engine turnover speed on the starter would start to fall away rapidly, and the Voltage while turning over would drop below the threshold the ecu needed to start. In normal circumstances this was never a problem, as the engine would fire straight up. You just had little margin for error! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenh Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Isn't the fact that a lithium ion battery (of the sort that Simon is considering) has a very low storage capacity the reason why most who use them for sprinting/hillclimbs tend to have an anderson socket permanently wired in to the battery, so that a slave (external) battery rigged up with an anderson plug, or a powerpack, can be connected up when starting up in the paddock, leaving the capacity of the on board battery full to start the engine in the event of a stall or having to shut down the engine near the start line if there is an incident on track just ahead of you? Terry can give a definitive answer to this, because I know that he has such an arrangement on his car. Simon, I hope your upgrades include making the passenger seat slightly more accommodating for a well built passenger?!😄 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Loudon - Sponsorship Liaison Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 2 hours ago, stephenh said: Isn't the fact that a lithium ion battery (of the sort that Simon is considering) has a very low storage capacity the reason why most who use them for sprinting/hillclimbs tend to have an anderson socket permanently wired in to the battery, so that a slave (external) battery rigged up with an anderson plug, or a powerpack, can be connected up when starting up in the paddock, leaving the capacity of the on board battery full to start the engine in the event of a stall or having to shut down the engine near the start line if there is an incident on track just ahead of you? Terry can give a definitive answer to this, because I know that he has such an arrangement on his car. Simon, I hope your upgrades include making the passenger seat slightly more accommodating for a well built passenger?!😄 No. Its mainly because they tend to have low cranking amp capacities and struggle with starting high compression engines. There are slightly larger sized lithium batteries with greater number of cranking amps that dont require slave batteries for most car engines 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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