Lawrie Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 I'd go for the new one. Unless you know the history, there's always the risk that the car rolled, and its killed its bearings or its a 150+k motor. And once you've got it working, try not to open the bonnet - its bad luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamperMan Posted November 9, 2016 Author Share Posted November 9, 2016 Powertorque have some Automatic engines in stock at 695 + VAT... They need a flywheel and crank sensor bracket... I've ordered a new manual one this morning for £50 more including delivery from elseware. For some reason I thought the new engines where Ford motorsport engines and they had the ST170 bottom end but std non VVTi top end. But I can't find any reference to that in reality. I think I'll need to wait for the engine to see if it takes St170 or Std flywheel bolts as I believe they are different. Again i'm probably wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamperMan Posted November 9, 2016 Author Share Posted November 9, 2016 well I removed the engine tonight Inlet piston number 1 has some interesting aluminium munchings in... I ai assume then to be either head or piston. on the exhaust side more conclusive was a broken valve shaft and half a head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrustyjust Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Not looking good. Usually Zetecs squash the valve flat inline with the piston, but that could be valve guides broken up ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dombanks Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 If you go to the right place the engine will come with a known milage. My old Silvertop came with loads of info Inc the car vin. It also had a 3 month guarantee. I'm pretty sure my st170 did also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamperMan Posted November 15, 2016 Author Share Posted November 15, 2016 I thought it had just ate the valves. It turns out it ate a complete piston. Very impressive for about 20 seconds of tickover. There's just a gudgion pin on the Conrod no piston any more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve (sdh2903) Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 That's impressive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamperMan Posted November 15, 2016 Author Share Posted November 15, 2016 Ifter stripping out the baffles I left it in the work spray wash 'Rotajet' machine in fabrication for 30 minutes before considering it to be near clean... I struggle to comprehend it even has the power/ momentum in the flywheel to do this on tick over.. I'd hoped to sell the 2.o cams to a 1.8 owner. But I'' struggling to find anything saleable NBC the old engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamperMan Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 Update engines all ready. Took the gearbox out today.. pondering upgrade here.. I want to move the engine back 2" so there's a bit of work to do.. propshaft needs a visit to the chop saw and a weld. I need to cut a chunk out of the bell housing for my narrow tunnel. Mod the engine mounts. All good fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 I struggle to comprehend it even has the power/ momentum in the flywheel to do this on tick over.. If tickover is 800rpm, that's what, 13ish revs a second? How many times would you have to hit that with a hammer to break it in to that many pieces? 50 times? 100 times? 100 "hits with the hammer" would take a bit less than 7 seconds. 20 seconds of tickover is more than enough... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisme Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 If tickover is 800rpm, that's what, 13ish revs a second? How many times would you have to hit that with a hammer to break it in to that many pieces? 50 times? 100 times? 100 "hits with the hammer" would take a bit less than 7 seconds. 20 seconds of tickover is more than enough... When my XE engine disintegrated last year it was only (only !!) doing 6,000 rpm - so yes, the mind boggles when you work that out in seconds and I thought I was pretty quick in hitting the engine kill switch - perhaps 2 seconds but as you say, in those 2 seconds the sledge hammer has had its evil way 200 times (and not to mention momentum, inertia, centrifugal forces etc ). I can still hear the sickening "thud" as the engine locked itself solid and relieved itself of all its hot water and oil....... it gave me a much needed reminder that a) we shouldn't blast the pants off them without being prepared for the consequences b) you shouldn't ignore any new strange noises hoping they'll go away and c) don't tempt fate with either missing recommended service item change intervals or using cheap replacement parts (especially for belt driven cam systems !!) (which reminds me I need to change the belt on our 200tdi Defender - but why do they make it so flipping difficult - and I certainly won't be using any bits from B***part ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 perhaps 2 seconds but as you say, in those 2 seconds the sledge hammer has had its evil way 200 times 120 times... 6000 revs in 60 secs = 600 revs in 10 seconds = 60 revs a second, x 2 = 120. I hope your maths is better when it comes to pay review time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisme Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 120 times... 6000 revs in 60 secs = 600 revs in 10 seconds = 60 revs a second, x 2 = 120. I hope your maths is better when it comes to pay review time ummm .... surely 6000rpm divided by 60 seconds = 100 revolutions per second, so one second = 100 revolutions and two seconds would be 200 revolutions conversely, if one second = 100 revolutions then 60 seconds would be 60 x 100 = 6000 revolutions in a minute in your example if 600 revs in 10 seconds = 60 rps then conversely 60rps x 60 (seconds) would be 3600rpm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_per_minute and actually I used the calculator here http://www.convertunits.com/from/revolutions+per+minute/to/revolution+per+second or the other way round... http://www.convertunits.com/from/revolution+per+second/to/revolutions+per+minute (note - that website also has a Salary Calculator ! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Yup. Seems I'm VERY underpaid... I really shouldn't do maths like that when I'm in a hurry... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisme Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 You had me worried there - I thought it was just me at 1 o'clock in the morning ! (spine problems again - can't sleep ) Getting back to the OP though..... I'd love to try something like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRAND-NEW-crate-Engine-FORD-2-7-Ecoboost-V6-Twin-Turbo-Petrol-/262710769783?hash=item3d2ac83877:g:d1kAAOSwal5YIgP7 V6 sounds about the right size for a Westie and 325hp / 375 lb/ft (there's a high performance version that has 450hp and 510 lb/ft ) - the 325 one for £2k makes me wonder why on earth I rebuilt my XE at twice the price (ok, I know - the extra costs of a conversion etc) - but if there's a next time ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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