2016 Speed Series Regulations - Your input please.

[ACW]

David/ xtr2turbo,

Even if we run our own classes at every event (frankly we do t have enough entrants to do more than 1/2) we need to run to an msa spec class.

If we want to include 1c this cannot be a road going msa class. This has been confirmed by the msa. However we can run under mod prod, and then our own SRs stipulate increased rules (eg 1abc). However we must then comply with mod prod msa rules.

[XTR2Turbo]

We are only in our own class at about 4 or 5 events a year. 

 

But the point you make that we could run 1C with a Hans is right, running in the Mod Prod Category when we are in the general classes on the day. It does however mean that anyone on 1C including Novices in A&B would need a Hans.

Thanks Nick / Adrian.  Sorry if I am asking basic questions but I don't want to assume anything.

 

Are you sure it is only 4 or 5 events where Westfields are lumped together? Seems like every event I have done this year the Westfields have been in their own class or classes

 

Blyton

Loton

MIRA

Shelsley

Anglessey Oct

[Terry Everall]

Harewood was all one class for Westfields but not October Anglesey

When we all get put together it disadvantages road going cars who on the day need to compete against the slick shod cars

[XTR2Turbo]

When we all get put together it disadvantages road going cars who on the day need to compete against the slick shod cars

How many events are there where the westfield on the day classes reflect the speed series classes .   only Blyton?  We always seem to be grouped in some way even if just all road going in one class and slicks in another.

[XTR2Turbo]

So my simplistic summary is .

 

we could operate next year as this year with 1c , target times would be correct, we wouldn't be going slower, but we would all need HANS (whilst a cost not a bad thing other than for attracting new novices?) and at some events where not lumped into westfield classes we may not be competitive on the day as in with modified production 

 

or we

 

go with some or all classes being on 1a or 1b and needing new tyres and we may be competitive with other class entrants on the day.  The risk is we don't yet know which 1b tyres could be quickest so may make the wrong choice, need to set up the cars for new tyres, have no data to adjust targets, will go slower and we don't know how event organisers will change their on the day classes yet anyway.

 

Based on this I am still happy with my original proposal on page 1

[Mark (smokey mow)]

, but we would all need HANS (whilst a cost not a bad thing other than for attracting new novices?)

HANS brings with it added complications for some in that the positions of harness mounts on the chassis may need to be modified and likewise not all Westfield seats would be compatible. Being a road car my WF has the sport seats where the harnesses passes round the sides of the headrest rather than through harness holes. The would mean that the harnesses wouldn't sit correctly on a HANS device and could potenitally be more dangerous in an accident than running without one.

[Arm]

I run with HANS.

 

My chassis did not have suitable mounting points yet it took all of 1 hr to weld in the bosses to make it compatible. Having had a heavy crash last year it saved my neck - I cant see any sensible justification or argument against.

[Mark (smokey mow)]

I run with HANS.

 

My chassis did not have suitable mounting points yet it took all of 1 hr to weld in the bosses to make it compatible. Having had a heavy crash last year it saved my neck - I cant see any sensible justification or argument against.

for those of us with "true" road going cars its added complication, as for me it also means having to remove the boot box and carpets first. not all of us have the capability to do the job ourselves so this also then means we're paying a specialist to do the job. I don't dispute that HANS can save lifes but to work they have to be worn correctly with the correct seats and mounting positions,

IMO its just adding to the already rapidly escalating costs and not worth the finacial outlay for half a dozen sprints a year,

[John Loudon - Sponsorship Liaison]

A few years ago I took part in the HSA Championship

I remember getting totally pi$$ed off with the scoring system , it gave you more points if there were more in your class

sounds OK?

but quite often I would post a faster time than all the class above but score less points than the person who was second in the class above and who was 1 or 2 seconds slower.

That is why I like our time based system as it rewards a good fast drive

We are not racing , the only relavant fact is our time

 

I found exactly the same with it this year. 9 rounds count, I win 9 rounds and set 8 new records (exactly the same stats as the overall winner) but came 6th overall. People ahead of me came 2nd in their class on numerous occasions and didn't set as many records.

 

With regards to SS, I think my idea further up is up there with the most sensible so far by allowing 1Cs in classes E and F and stick with 1A or 1B in classes A-D and retro calculate TTs for classes A-D from data gained at end of season with comparison to TTs previously set on what will be 1Cs

[Arm]

Mine is road going and has been used a lot this year on the road. I also only did 6 events.

Let's face it if there is something new that manages the risks better then it's worth the 400 quid to do so.

400 quid to save your neck !;

[John Loudon - Sponsorship Liaison]

for those of us with "true" road going cars its added complication, as for me it also means having to remove the boot box and carpets first. not all of us have the capability to do the job ourselves so this also then means we're paying a specialist to do the job. I don't dispute that HANS can save lifes but to work they have to be worn correctly with the correct seats and mounting positions,

IMO its just adding to the already rapidly escalating costs and not worth the finacial outlay for half a dozen sprints a year,

 

Unfortunately, true road going Westfields are dangerously specced for participating in motorsport without some modifications. Motorsport can be and is expensive - fact! This can be nullified to a certain extent by being able to do things yourself to the car. Im sorry if you cant but that's just the way it is. Maybe some local area members can help you for less cost?

[Mark (smokey mow)]

Unfortunately, true road going Westfields are dangerously specced for participating in motorsport without some modifications. Motorsport can be and is expensive - fact! This can be nullified to a certain extent by being able to do things yourself to the car. Im sorry if you cant but that's just the way it is. Maybe some local area members can help you for less cost?

basic alterations to "standard" ROPS I agree are essential however if we have to start welding and modifying our chassis then I can't see sprinting appealing to many newcomers in the future.

[John Loudon - Sponsorship Liaison]

basic alterations to "standard" ROPS I agree are essential however if we have to start welding and modifying our chassis then I can't see sprinting appealing to many newcomers in the future.

 

Why do you need to weld and modify a chassis? Approved roll bars are available that bolt straight on

[Mark (smokey mow)]

Why do you need to weld and modify a chassis? Approved roll bars are available that bolt straight on

because my conversation with ARM was about the use of HANS devices not ROPS

[John Loudon - Sponsorship Liaison]

because my conversation with ARM was about the use of HANS devices not ROPS

 

Sorry - I misinterpreted your point. however, a simple bolt in adaptor plate is all that is required to adjust the harness mounts. It could use the original bolt holes to bolt it in and has additional ones in the correct place

 

See post by Graham V on this page  http://www.uphillracers.com/showthread.php/frontal-head-restraints-11281p25.html