2016 Speed Series Regulations - Your input please.

[XTR2Turbo]

Can someone confirm, can you still run in Mod Specialist production with a NatB licence or do you need to upgrade?

 

Regards

 

David

[John Loudon - Sponsorship Liaison]

Can someone confirm, can you still run in Mod Specialist production with a NatB licence or do you need to upgrade?

 

Regards

 

David

It depends on the cc of the engine. Over 2 litres requires a national A licence

[XTR2Turbo]

Thanks John

 

On the over 2000cc presumably most of our cars would be below that e.g. 2.0 Zetec, 2.o Honda and 2.0 Duratec? so no requirement for cage and NatA

 

How does the  multiplier work e.g. supercharged duratec or supercharged bike engine wrt this?

 

David

[John Loudon - Sponsorship Liaison]

Thanks John

 

On the over 2000cc presumably most of our cars would be below that e.g. 2.0 Zetec, 2.o Honda and 2.0 Duratec? so no requirement for cage and NatA

 

How does the  multiplier work e.g. supercharged duratec or supercharged bike engine wrt this?

 

David

 

Forced induction is 1.4 x engine size

[XTR2Turbo]

David

The things you are missing:

Individual driving competence, accident experience and personal preference (I would not have done my engine up-grade last year to run on 1A/1B tyres)

CR500 tyres are old technology and are being progressively phased out

New technology tyres are being developed in line with the EEC (not FIA) tyre energy efficiency regulations in the same way as most other products are now being developed with efficiency regulations to the forefront!

Tyre suitability, capability and safety is totally a decision of the driver within the specified regs

Graham

I think that there is a real concern this is just the start.

 

I think in 2018 a real risk that many of the new 1b tyres are also no longer road legal as F rolling resistance tyres will no longer be allowed. 

 

The tyre manufacturers really need to develop replacements fast if they can or we will all be competing on 1a tyres or slicks.

[graham frankland]

David

I have failed so far to get any indicative dates from Tyre manufacturers when the next changes are likely to come into effect,

In the longer term (hopefully further out than 2018) the split is likely to be Road Going (not sure about whether they will be 1A or 1B or both)and Competition Only tyres.

A good talking point but not relevant to the feedback needed for Nick's post!

Thanks

G

[XTR2Turbo]

http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/press/frontpage/2012/12_120_en.htm

 

this suggests Nov 2018

 

If so, I think it is of relevance as what we do now could make a further change in 2018 more straightforward.

 

David

 

see page 27 of this document

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/350814/tyre-labelling-consultation.pdf

[Nick Algar - Competition Secretary]

Can someone confirm, can you still run in Mod Specialist production with a NatB licence or do you need to upgrade?

 

Regards

 

David

 

To answer this and another point.

 

You can run in Mod Specialist Production without a Nat A licence as long as car is under 2000cc, as John has already said.

 

Also I now have an email from the MSA following a conversation I had with them today confirming that if your car presented in a Road-Legal condition with MOT, Tax & Insurance and the only thing forcing it to run in Mod Prod is the 1C tyres, then you can do so without an MSA Log Book.

 

Hope that helps.

[John Loudon - Sponsorship Liaison]

To answer this and another point.

 

You can run in Mod Specialist Production without a Nat A licence as long as car is under 2000cc, as John has already said.

 

Also I now have an email from the MSA following a conversation I had with them today confirming that if your car presented in a Road-Legal condition with MOT, Tax & Insurance and the only thing forcing it to run in Mod Prod is the 1C tyres, then you can do so without an MSA Log Book.

 

Hope that helps.

 

Thanks for the clarification Nick regards cars log book but would we needs HANS devices?

[phelpsa]

Nick / John,

Unless the Msa has proposed yet more licensing changes then a Nat A license isn't required for any production class.

Regulation 7.1.5 is the relevant one, no mention of production cars.

[Nick Algar - Competition Secretary]

Nick / John,

Unless the Msa has proposed yet more licensing changes then a Nat A license isn't required for any production class.

Regulation 7.1.5 is the relevant one, no mention of production cars.

 

 

Thanks Adam, that will teach me to try and rely on memory. !!! Not aware of any changes regarding that one.

[Nick Algar - Competition Secretary]

Thanks for the clarification Nick regards cars log book but would we needs HANS devices?

 

Unfortunately John, yes you will.

 

I do have an email a copy of which can be provided to anyone wanting to run in Mod Prod with a Road Legal car for next year.

[John Loudon - Sponsorship Liaison]

Unfortunately John, yes you will.

 

I do have an email a copy of which can be provided to anyone wanting to run in Mod Prod with a Road Legal car for next year.

 

Thanks Nick. So my suggestion for classes further up also has the added benefit of impacting only class E and F if you wish run list 1C tyres so minimises the impact to SS competitors (should the MSA allow it)

 

It should also be noted that it 'may' not be necessary to run in mod prod at events with 1C tyres. A lot of northern clubs have started to run a class 2D which is 'All Road-going Specialist Cars that are not eligible for Classes 2A, 2B or 2C ' An example of this type of class can be found in these regs http://www.liverpoolmotorclub.com/files/2011/01/Sprint-Regs-2015-Final.pdf. Therefore HANS may not be necessary for all events where these classes exist

[Terry Everall]

Had a call fromMark Anson tonight who IMO has come up with some interesting points.

1) take the opportunity to sort out several problems and align out capacity split with other clubs at 1700cc

2) Due to a year when we will not have any performance data for 1A and 1B tyres (so no level plying field) we should, for 2016 only, use a 1st past the post simple system. Maybe 100 points  for 1st in each class with time difference for 2nd ,3rd etc. We could award an extra point for anyone breaking the class records that existed in 2012/2013 before we had ZZRs and this smoothes out some of the really quick times on ZZR.

3) At the end of 2016 we will amassed data for performances on 1A and 1B tyres so we use these to revert to TT's if we desire.

 

Terry- I think these ideas have a lot of merit!

[Nick Algar - Competition Secretary]

Thanks Nick. So my suggestion for classes further up also has the added benefit of impacting only class E and F if you wish run list 1C tyres so minimises the impact to SS competitors (should the MSA allow it)

 

It should also be noted that it 'may' not be necessary to run in mod prod at events with 1C tyres. A lot of northern clubs have started to run a class 2D which is 'All Road-going Specialist Cars that are not eligible for Classes 2A, 2B or 2C ' An example of this type of class can be found in these regs http://www.liverpoolmotorclub.com/files/2011/01/Sprint-Regs-2015-Final.pdf. Therefore HANS may not be necessary for all events where these classes exist

 

Just to confirm the 2016 North & Midland Speed Regs are only going to allow 1B tyres in the class 2D that you mention John, so sorry that won't be the case.

 

But also as a general rule, clubs can tighten up regulations, but not loosen them. 1C tyres will not be allowed in Road-Going.