hilux Posted November 29, 2002 Posted November 29, 2002 Why dont we just wait and see how reliable they are when tuned Until then VX rules Quote
neo Posted November 29, 2002 Posted November 29, 2002 i'm a fan of Ford engines but is it just me thinks the duratec is a fortune or what,if the choice was mine id look harder "DARE I SAY IT" for a XE 16v, for the cost alone Quote
Two Dinners Posted November 29, 2002 Posted November 29, 2002 At the moment the Vx is cheaper to modify. But give it time and the price of the D/Tec will come down. The Vx was very expensive to modify when it was just out and look how much you get for your money now. I am not going to get dragged in to the war of words on engines again but I don’t like jumping straight in when something new comes along. I would be hanging on for a couple of years to let others do the engine tuners test work for them. I have seen too many new cars launched on the market too soon and it is not until they have been out for a couple of years before the manufactures iron out the teething faults. Engine tuners are no different. Quote
Blatman Posted November 29, 2002 Posted November 29, 2002 Spot on. Give it a couple of years at least. Anyone who buys in the next 24 months is paying to be a guinea pig.......... Quote
JohnCh Posted November 30, 2002 Posted November 30, 2002 I have a 2.0L Duratec sitting in my garage. Guess I'm paying to be a guinea pig -John Seattle, USA Quote
Bananaman Posted November 30, 2002 Author Posted November 30, 2002 Just fit it as standard 185bhp or go for 210bhp then upgrade as time goes by. I intend building a car in a year or so's time & will fit a standard Duratec (into a chassis that will take lots of power ) Then a year later maybe go to 220-250bhp. From what raceline have said 210 is just new cams & 220bhp is additional pocketing of existing pistons. 250 is obviously a bit more work in the head & new pistons & con rods. I recon Blatman is right in 2 years these engines will be well developed & cheap (relatively speaking). Just out of interest Blatters how much would a 250bhp VX be, including a total rebuild & injection engine management system? Andy Quote
Blatman Posted November 30, 2002 Posted November 30, 2002 Aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh........ Quote
Bananaman Posted November 30, 2002 Author Posted November 30, 2002 Chill Blat............ters So £4K for a 250(ish)bhp VX & £7K for a 250bhp (NEW) Duratec How much for the mods on a owner supplied engine i will find out soon?? I recon in 2 years time the VX will only be fit for the museum (ducks gets tin hat and waites for shelling to commence) Andy Quote
Blatman Posted November 30, 2002 Posted November 30, 2002 BDA's and R's etc are still going strong, a couple of decades after production stopped. Vx's are made to a much higher quality, and there are more of 'em, so I expect them to last quite a while. Besides, the rarer they get, the more they're worth......... Quote
simonbell Posted November 30, 2002 Posted November 30, 2002 You should be able to pick up a used duratec for £600.... Throw some TB induction and ECU at it £1200 ish Decent manifold and exhaust £750 ish Cam kit sya £500 So for 210bhp that is £3000 + rebuild costs Sounds OK to me. Do the pistons have to be pocketed with the cam kit? I wouldn`t worry too much about going down the duratec route.....start off fairly standard and upgrade as time goes by and reliablilty is proven. Standard at 185bhp should give no reliability problems. Likewise adding cams to go to 210 shouldn`t affect reliability too much. ISTR someone saying that the duratec should be drysumped in a se7en. Pace do a kit for £600 I think plus tank. Simon Quote
SteveD Posted November 30, 2002 Posted November 30, 2002 hmmmmmm seems a bit to expensive to me for a ford engine and i gather there only estimated figures for the duratec from raceline not proven figures i think the duratecs still out on this one yet sorry jury Quote
JohnCh Posted November 30, 2002 Posted November 30, 2002 i gather there only estimated figures for the duratec from raceline not proven figures Raceline and Scholar engines have both had the Duratec on the dyno with stock internals (i.e. only changed TBs, mapped injection, and exhaust). Scholar saw 192hp and Raceline 185hp (note: I haven't seen Raceline's dyno sheet, but I have seen the one from Scholar). How much for the mods on a owner supplied engine i will find out soon?? Prices from Raceline for the various components are about the same price as the equivalent components they sell for the Zetec. Some items are little more expensive, but others are a bit cheaper, so overall it's about a wash. As for engine price, I picked up a new, complete 2.0L here in the States for $800. It has been sitting in storage for a couple of years at Ford's headquarters, but has never fired. They also have the 2.3L units available for $600. -John Seattle, USA Quote
Nick M Posted November 30, 2002 Posted November 30, 2002 You should be able to pick up a used duratec for £600.... Throw some TB induction and ECU at it £1200 ish Decent manifold and exhaust £750 ish Cam kit sya £500 So for 210bhp that is £3000 + rebuild costs Frankly I would say that's massively optimistic. Seeing as a decent ECU and loom would be in the region of GBP700 (ex VAT) it doesn't leave much for the throttle bodies.... And a "decent" manifold and exhaust for GBP750 would be going some too. Again, perhaps ex-VAT.... And that's not even considering things like sumps, engine mounts, clutch, what you do with the flywheel, bell-housing, cooling system, etc., etc. Personally before looking at any new engine like this I'd be inclined to wait and see what the real world power figures / actual costs are. I know, from my recent experience, that building an engine is an expensive exercise (I admit mine wasn't the cheapest choice by any stretch of the imagination, but I had my reasons for choosing it) and, as I've said before, it's all the little costs that add up and come back to bite you on the Quote
Westfieldman Posted November 30, 2002 Posted November 30, 2002 Frankly I would say that's massively optimistic. Seeing as a decent ECU and loom would be in the region of GBP700 (ex VAT) it doesn't leave much for the throttle bodies.... And a "decent" manifold and exhaust for GBP750 would be going some too. Again, perhaps ex-VAT.... And that's not even considering things like sumps, engine mounts, clutch, what you do with the flywheel, bell-housing, cooling system, etc., etc. But unless I am missing something here you need all or most of these to fit and run the god of all engines the VX So the cost for a standard engine install into a Westfield/c******m is going to be about the same for most car based engines for the same type of set/spec up carbs or fuel injection etc. The big differance is the amount of power a standard enigine gives and how much it costs for every 10 BHP more and how much it weighs in the first place. Some people will allways hang on to yesteryear's technolgy just don't go knocking it/them VX owners time for Paul. Quote
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